Quran's prohibition against terrorism and mass killing

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[robvalue]

I don't have any bombs, but even if I did, I wouldn't need a book to tell me not to blow up civilians with it.

[WinterHold]

I don't have any bombs, but even if I did, I wouldn't need a book to tell me not to blow up civilians with it.

You personally don't; but world leaders obviously do need a book telling them to not blow other humans.
Right now, there are missiles carrying nuclear warheads aimed at me and you, that chaotic, violent omen is kept by a law written in a book called "the constitution of the state".

[robvalue]

Okay, you were directing the question to Donald Trump and such? Sure, he's a maniac and it would be great if someone sane was in charge instead.

However, the book isn't going to stop anyone doing those things, even if they read it. They may interpret it differently to you, or just ignore it. Explaining why it's a bad thing to do without referring to a specific religion would be more effective, wouldn't it?

[Gawdzilla Sama]

I watched Arclight raid back in the day. You should take a look.

[Chad32]

That's a nice passage. I wish more muslims would follow the nicer passages, but like christians, many find more meaning in the hateful and violent passages. Like the bible, you can find a verse to support pretty much any belief you have.

[Gawdzilla Sama]

Cherry picking, yet again.

[Angrboda]

Sura 5, The Quran:
( 32 )   Because of that, We decreed upon the Children of Israel that whoever kills a soul unless for a soul or for corruption [done] in the land - it is as if he had slain mankind entirely. And whoever saves one - it is as if he had saved mankind entirely. And our messengers had certainly come to them with clear proofs. Then indeed many of them, [even] after that, throughout the land, were transgressors

What does Sura 5:32 really mean?

Many Muslim apologists and their ilk, including the current president, quote this verse as a proof text that Islam is peaceful and condemns the killing of innocent persons. But is this true? Is this what the verse means? Continue reading.

First, it must be noted that the verse is not quoted in its entirety. This is done purposefully. The entire verse reads, "On that account: We ordained for the Children of Israel that if any one slew a person - unless it be for murder or for spreading mischief in the land - it would be as if he slew the whole people: and if any one saved a life, it would be as if he saved the life of the whole people. Then although there came to them Our messengers with clear signs, yet, even after that, many of them continued to commit excesses in the land."

1) Note to whom this verse is directed. "We ordained to the Children of Israel ...". This verse has nothing to do with proving Islam is a peaceful religion. The target audience is not Muslims, it is Jews. Jews are being addressed here, the Children of Israel. And why is Allah using the term "we" if he is absolutely singular?

2) What does it mean to "spread mischief in the land?" After all, that seems to be an exception for which killing someone is justified by this verse. If Muslims want to ignore point 1 above and personalize this verse for the Muslim community, as they do frequently, we must understand what it means to spread mischief. This is important because "spreading mischief" is justified as means to kill someone who is engaged in "spreading mischief."

Ibn Kathir is an authoritative scholar and exegete of the Quran. Although he does not develop the term "make mischief" here, he does so in other similar verses. Sura 2:11-12 uses the same term, and Ibn Kathir defines what it means to "make mischief." Speaking of hypocrites and other disbelievers of Islam, Sura 2:11-12 says, "When it is said to them: "Make not mischief on the earth,” they say: "Why, we only Want to make peace!" Of a surety, they are the ones who make mischief, but they realise (it) not."

In his commentary on these verses, Ibn Kathir says, "Their mischief is disobeying Allah, because whoever disobeys Allah on the earth, or commands that Allah be disobeyed, he has committed mischief on the earth. The hypocrites commit mischief on earth by disobeying their Lord on it and continuing in the prohibited acts. They also abandon what Allah made obligatory and doubt His religion, even though He does not accept a deed from anyone except with faith in His religion and certainty of its truth." In other words, to disobey Allah is to spread mischief. Anyone who does not pray five daily prayers, fast during Ramadan, obey Muhammad as Allah's messenger, believe in absolute Islamic monotheism, is spreading mischief.

Spreading mischief in the land is an exception to the prohibition to kill in Sura 5:32. Thus, Sura 5:32 allows the murder of those who spread mischief in the land - those who disbelieve in Allah and his messenger. This verse is not about peace at all.

What does Sura 5:32 really mean?

[robvalue]

I have no idea what is the point of all this "Islam is moral" stuff. Are we supposed to all convert to Islam so that the world would be peaceful? Somehow I don't think that's the answer.

[Gawdzilla Sama]

I have no idea what is the point of all this "Islam is moral" stuff. Are we supposed to all convert to Islam so that the world would be peaceful? Somehow I don't think that's the answer.

He's trying to make Islam look better. This is necessary because he's deeply embarrassed with the way things are going right now, but he doesn't have the means or the will to try to change things. Thus the slapped on coat of paint.