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Quran's prohibition against terrorism and mass killing
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Quran's prohibition against terrorism and mass killing
Observing the world today can pretty much point us into the conclusion of it, favoring "deceit and backstabbing" over natural, healthy relations between nations.

It's not normal, natural or healthy for a human to be "deceitful". This is an attribute we develop and adapt as a defense mechanism, but when we use it at all times with everybody, then we have a problem.

The observation is based on this image; and it is just a single example:

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The truth is that behind these smiles; both nations aim nuclear weapons at each others' capital cities.
It's not the case with these two men only; it's a new world order to smile in the face of your visitor; while aiming nuclear missiles at them from behind.

Smile me in the face; stab me in the back. And this sad, insulting paranoia; or let me say "madness", is called "politics".

While impending doom is surrounding modern civilization; since the paranoia would lead to world destruction sooner or later with the spark of any global war, the Quran, did speak about this paranoia and its sad effect on earth:

Quote:Sura 30, The Quran:
( 40 )   Allah is the one who created you, then provided for you, then will cause you to die, and then will give you life. Are there any of your "partners" who does anything of that? Exalted is He and high above what they associate with Him.
( 41 )   Corruption has appeared throughout the land and sea by [reason of] what the hands of people have earned so He may let them taste part of [the consequence of] what they have done that perhaps they will return [to righteousness].

Humanity witnessed lots of mass killings and massacres, ethnic cleanses and mass murder, from the Mongol expansions to WW2. But nobody was brave enough to bash the paranoia, Islam did bash it though, the Quran says:

Quote:Sura 5, The Quran:
( 32 )   Because of that, We decreed upon the Children of Israel that whoever kills a soul unless for a soul or for corruption [done] in the land - it is as if he had slain mankind entirely. And whoever saves one - it is as if he had saved mankind entirely. And our messengers had certainly come to them with clear proofs. Then indeed many of them, [even] after that, throughout the land, were transgressors



Mass killing is prohibited in Islam. Unlike secular laws of war; Islam only targets criminals. It keeps civilians out of it. You can't bomb a city when you don't know if there are people who aren't even into the policies of their state.

Let's take 9/11 as an example. When the towers fell, lots of civilians who couldn't even tell what Islam is died; the same terrorist tactic is authentic in secular armies too, WW2 is the second example.

Islam prohibits all of that. Nobody gets a right to waste the life of somebody; killing their chance to undergo life.

So God says:
whoever kills a soul unless for a soul or for corruption [done] in the land - it is as if he had slain mankind entirely. And whoever saves one - it is as if he had saved mankind entirely.

But what say you? would you still bomb my city, or obey the above
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RE: Quran's prohibition against terrorism and mass killing
I don't have any bombs, but even if I did, I wouldn't need a book to tell me not to blow up civilians with it.
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(May 5, 2018 at 4:19 am)robvalue Wrote: I don't have any bombs, but even if I did, I wouldn't need a book to tell me not to blow up civilians with it.

You personally don't; but world leaders obviously do need a book telling them to not blow other humans.
Right now, there are missiles carrying nuclear warheads aimed at me and you, that chaotic, violent omen is kept by a law written in a book called "the constitution of the state".
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RE: Quran's prohibition against terrorism and mass killing
Okay, you were directing the question to Donald Trump and such? Sure, he's a maniac and it would be great if someone sane was in charge instead.

However, the book isn't going to stop anyone doing those things, even if they read it. They may interpret it differently to you, or just ignore it. Explaining why it's a bad thing to do without referring to a specific religion would be more effective, wouldn't it?
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I watched Arclight raid back in the day. You should take a look.
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That's a nice passage. I wish more muslims would follow the nicer passages, but like christians, many find more meaning in the hateful and violent passages. Like the bible, you can find a verse to support pretty much any belief you have.
Poe's Law: "Without a winking smiley or other blatant display of humor, it is impossible to create a parody of Fundamentalism that SOMEONE won't mistake for the real thing."

10 Christ-like figures that predate Jesus. Link shortened to Chris ate Jesus for some reason...
http://listverse.com/2009/04/13/10-chris...ate-jesus/

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=88GTUXvp-50

A list of biblical contradictions from the infallible word of Yahweh.
http://infidels.org/library/modern/jim_m...tions.html

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Cherry picking, yet again.
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RE: Quran's prohibition against terrorism and mass killing
(May 5, 2018 at 4:01 am)AtlasS33 Wrote:
Quote:Sura 5, The Quran:
( 32 )   Because of that, We decreed upon the Children of Israel that whoever kills a soul unless for a soul or for corruption [done] in the land - it is as if he had slain mankind entirely. And whoever saves one - it is as if he had saved mankind entirely. And our messengers had certainly come to them with clear proofs. Then indeed many of them, [even] after that, throughout the land, were transgressors

Quote:What does Sura 5:32 really mean?

Many Muslim apologists and their ilk, including the current president, quote this verse as a proof text that Islam is peaceful and condemns the killing of innocent persons. But is this true? Is this what the verse means? Continue reading.

First, it must be noted that the verse is not quoted in its entirety. This is done purposefully. The entire verse reads, "On that account: We ordained for the Children of Israel that if any one slew a person - unless it be for murder or for spreading mischief in the land - it would be as if he slew the whole people: and if any one saved a life, it would be as if he saved the life of the whole people. Then although there came to them Our messengers with clear signs, yet, even after that, many of them continued to commit excesses in the land."

1) Note to whom this verse is directed. "We ordained to the Children of Israel ...". This verse has nothing to do with proving Islam is a peaceful religion. The target audience is not Muslims, it is Jews. Jews are being addressed here, the Children of Israel. And why is Allah using the term "we" if he is absolutely singular?

2) What does it mean to "spread mischief in the land?" After all, that seems to be an exception for which killing someone is justified by this verse. If Muslims want to ignore point 1 above and personalize this verse for the Muslim community, as they do frequently, we must understand what it means to spread mischief. This is important because "spreading mischief" is justified as means to kill someone who is engaged in "spreading mischief."

Ibn Kathir is an authoritative scholar and exegete of the Quran. Although he does not develop the term "make mischief" here, he does so in other similar verses. Sura 2:11-12 uses the same term, and Ibn Kathir defines what it means to "make mischief." Speaking of hypocrites and other disbelievers of Islam, Sura 2:11-12 says, "When it is said to them: "Make not mischief on the earth,” they say: "Why, we only Want to make peace!" Of a surety, they are the ones who make mischief, but they realise (it) not."

In his commentary on these verses, Ibn Kathir says, "Their mischief is disobeying Allah, because whoever disobeys Allah on the earth, or commands that Allah be disobeyed, he has committed mischief on the earth. The hypocrites commit mischief on earth by disobeying their Lord on it and continuing in the prohibited acts. They also abandon what Allah made obligatory and doubt His religion, even though He does not accept a deed from anyone except with faith in His religion and certainty of its truth." In other words, to disobey Allah is to spread mischief. Anyone who does not pray five daily prayers, fast during Ramadan, obey Muhammad as Allah's messenger, believe in absolute Islamic monotheism, is spreading mischief.

Spreading mischief in the land is an exception to the prohibition to kill in Sura 5:32. Thus, Sura 5:32 allows the murder of those who spread mischief in the land - those who disbelieve in Allah and his messenger. This verse is not about peace at all.

What does Sura 5:32 really mean?
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I have no idea what is the point of all this "Islam is moral" stuff. Are we supposed to all convert to Islam so that the world would be peaceful? Somehow I don't think that's the answer.
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RE: Quran's prohibition against terrorism and mass killing
(May 5, 2018 at 8:22 am)robvalue Wrote: I have no idea what is the point of all this "Islam is moral" stuff. Are we supposed to all convert to Islam so that the world would be peaceful? Somehow I don't think that's the answer.

He's trying to make Islam look better. This is necessary because he's deeply embarrassed with the way things are going right now, but he doesn't have the means or the will to try to change things. Thus the slapped on coat of paint.
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