Atheism vs. the Quran

[Ashendant]

Rayan how can you claim the Qu'ran is infallible if it has as many mistakes as the bible?

[Oldandeasilyconfused]

[theVOID]

[theVOID]

[Lethe]

Rayan how can you claim the Qu'ran is infallible if it has as many mistakes as the bible?

George Orwell called it 'doublethink'. It's the opposite of cognitive dissonance.

AHHHH!

I've been searching for a term with the opposite meaning of cognitive dissonance! Thank you good sir.

[Rayaan]

[Lethe]

[theVOID]

And theVoid, I'll reply to some of the things that you wrote in your post after I gather my thoughts together, but not right now since there is a lot of things that I have to explain which you don't know about the the Quran. I'll post my reply at a later time (within the next few days).

It's going to be mainly on two of the claims that you made in your post, which are:

(1) The Quran that we have today never existed during the time of Muhammad (pbuh) and (2) that a "huge portion" of the Quran was taken from the Torah and the New Testament.

They are the two most insignificant parts of my response, what matters is your "challenges" proving that Islam could not have been created by Mo and that Fetus formation in the quran is indicative of divinity.

There are the things you opened with as being a part of your concluding that Islam was the product by divinity, so these are the things I want you to address. Address the rest if you like, but don't even try and worm your way out of answering my rebuttals to the aforementioned.

[Rayaan]

[DeistPaladin]

I agree with you, but your comment still doesn't negate what I said earlier, which is:

"There are a lot more authentic historical facts about Muhammad than about Jesus (peace be upon them)."

And I repeat, that's a really low bar.

All the verses in the Quran make perfect sense and they are presented in a highly poetic style which not even a sane person could produce with a conscious effort.

And I repeat, artists (poets) can't be crazy then? To be more specific, in case you're not understanding me, your logic is because someone writes beautiful poetry, he can't be crazy?

Yes, but that's not the point. The point is that it's not possible for someone to be mentally crazy and yet hear words in Arabic in such a rhymed fashion as the verses in the Quran (for 23 years).

So, your logic is if someone writes beautiful poetry in Arabic, his native language, and does so for 23 years, he can't possibly be crazy?

But firstly, you should make up your own mind on which is a more rational theory of the two (liar or lunatic) and then tell me why you think so.

Actually, I'm under no such obligation, any more than you are under any such obligation for "prophets" of religions you don't believe in. Your arguments that Muhammad couldn't possibly have been deluded are underwhelming. What about your arguments that Muhammad couldn't possibly have been a liar?