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The argument from power.
#31
RE: The argument from power.
All things are created good, and negative existence (Evil) is like negative numbers and has no real life, that is why deadness and negative void of where you neither die or live, is given regarding the state of evil.

So what I meant by things is their living aspect from God, not negative aspects.

And what is meant by ultimate is the ultimate positive form.

Negative traits of things don't exist in reality, they exist only with respect to shadows rebelling against God and realms of negative opposition to God.
"….except those without power/capability - who do not find the means and find no guidance to the way, it maybe God will forgive these, and God is Forgiving, Compassionate." (in 4Th Surah).

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#32
RE: The argument from power.
(June 3, 2018 at 4:59 pm)MysticKnight Wrote: All things are created good, and negative existence (Evil) is like negative numbers and has no real life, that is why deadness and negative void of where you neither die or live, is given regarding the state of evil.

So what I meant by things is their living aspect from God, not negative aspects.

And what is meant by ultimate is the ultimate positive form.

Negative traits of things don't exist in reality, they exist only with respect to shadows rebelling against God and realms of negative opposition to God.

Jesus H. Tap Dancing Christ! What a load of gibberish!
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#33
RE: The argument from power.
(June 3, 2018 at 4:59 pm)MysticKnight Wrote: All things are created good...

Nope.  Regardless of whatever their actual origin turns out to be, all things are neutral until they interact with something else.  At that point, "good" and "bad" may be added as value judgments depending on how that interaction is perceived.
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#34
RE: The argument from power.
"Man can do what he wills but he cannot will what he wills." ~ Arthur Schopenhauer

The same goes double for God.
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#35
RE: The argument from power.
Will is magical and proof of magic Jo and so is love.
"….except those without power/capability - who do not find the means and find no guidance to the way, it maybe God will forgive these, and God is Forgiving, Compassionate." (in 4Th Surah).

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#36
RE: The argument from power.
(June 5, 2018 at 1:05 pm)MysticKnight Wrote: Will is magical and proof of magic Jo and so is love.

Even if that were true, it fails to address the root of the problem.
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#37
RE: The argument from power.
(June 5, 2018 at 1:06 pm)Jörmungandr Wrote:
(June 5, 2018 at 1:05 pm)MysticKnight Wrote: Will is magical and proof of magic Jo and so is love.

Even if that were true, it fails to address the root of the problem.

What problem?
"….except those without power/capability - who do not find the means and find no guidance to the way, it maybe God will forgive these, and God is Forgiving, Compassionate." (in 4Th Surah).

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#38
RE: The argument from power.
(June 5, 2018 at 1:07 pm)MysticKnight Wrote:
(June 5, 2018 at 1:06 pm)Jörmungandr Wrote: Even if that were true, it fails to address the root of the problem.

What problem?

The one I've been patiently explaining to you throughout the entire course of this thread. What, did you just wake up?
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#39
RE: The argument from power.
(June 3, 2018 at 11:07 am)MysticKnight Wrote: As will power is essential to goodness, 

No it isn't.

In fact if you have to use will power to curb your baser desires then you aren't that good, for example.:

Some one looks at a lot of young girls and wants to whisk them off to torture and abuse them, but uses his will power to resist.

A man looks at some girls and does not have those desires.


The non-rapey one is more "good", "gooder" whatever, you get my point.

Therefore will power is not needed to be good therefore god does not exist.



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#40
RE: The argument from power.
(June 5, 2018 at 1:09 pm)Jörmungandr Wrote:
(June 5, 2018 at 1:07 pm)MysticKnight Wrote: What problem?

The one I've been patiently explaining to you throughout the entire course of this thread.  What, did you just wake up?

There is no problem as I've shown in reply and as for:

"Man can do what he wills but he cannot will what he wills." ~ Arthur Schopenhauer

That is akin to saying you can't love what you love which is meaningless. You definitely will what you will, and impact future will by what you willed in the past, and will grows depending on us.

(June 5, 2018 at 1:15 pm)downbeatplumb Wrote:
(June 3, 2018 at 11:07 am)MysticKnight Wrote: As will power is essential to goodness, 

No it isn't.

In fact if you have to use will power to curb your baser desires then you aren't that good, for example.:

Some one looks at a lot of young girls and wants to whisk them off to torture and abuse them, but uses his will power to resist.

A man looks at some girls and does not have those desires.


The non-rapey one is more "good", "gooder" whatever, you get my point.

Therefore will power is not needed to be good therefore god does not exist.

I'm not sure what to make of this but just to say to hold on when I clarify each premise and reason, you will get what I mean.
"….except those without power/capability - who do not find the means and find no guidance to the way, it maybe God will forgive these, and God is Forgiving, Compassionate." (in 4Th Surah).

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