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Amazing resources from Wikipedia.
#31
RE: Amazing resources from Wikipedia.
(June 6, 2018 at 7:35 am)RoadRunner79 Wrote:
(June 6, 2018 at 6:43 am)Jehanne Wrote: GC,

I am not a classical scholar, I admit that, but I doubt that you or anyone else is so "brilliant" as to get a PhD in any subject, and by that very fact, be the cause of some major paradigm shift in academic studies in any academic discipline.

The fact that there are so few scholars who are Biblical inerrantists should tell you something, shouldn't it?

Dawn

I don’t believe that was what GC was arguing. I for one, wouldn’t expect scholars (even Christian ones) to let the doctrine of inerrancy interfere with the historical work.

I don’t think one’s needs a PHD to know that if you can get to Y from X and you can get to Z from X, then one could travel from X to Y to Z. Possibly with other places that where not mentioned in between. This isn’t rocket science that we need to appeal to authority.

The historical evidence is that the author of Mark was not from Palestine, hence, his ignorance of the region's geography.
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#32
RE: Amazing resources from Wikipedia.
(June 6, 2018 at 6:43 am)Jehanne Wrote: GC,

I am not a classical scholar, I admit that, but I doubt that you or anyone else is so "brilliant" as to get a PhD in any subject, and by that very fact, be the cause of some major paradigm shift in academic studies in any academic discipline.

The fact that there are so few scholars who are Biblical inerrantists should tell you something, shouldn't it?

Dawn

It should tell him something, but he made up his mind ages ago and nothing will change it.
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#33
RE: Amazing resources from Wikipedia.
(June 6, 2018 at 8:12 am)Gawdzilla Sama Wrote:
(June 6, 2018 at 7:35 am)RoadRunner79 Wrote: I don’t believe that was what GC was arguing. I for one, wouldn’t expect scholars (even Christian ones) to let the doctrine of inerrancy interfere with the historical work.

Ken Ham does exactly that. "It's right because it's in the Bible."

What does Ken Ham have to do with this?

(June 6, 2018 at 8:19 am)Jehanne Wrote:
(June 6, 2018 at 7:35 am)RoadRunner79 Wrote: I don’t believe that was what GC was arguing. I for one, wouldn’t expect scholars (even Christian ones) to let the doctrine of inerrancy interfere with the historical work.

I don’t think one’s needs a PHD to know that if you can get to Y from X and you can get to Z from X, then one could travel from X to Y to Z. Possibly with other places that where not mentioned in between.  This isn’t rocket science that we need to appeal to authority.

The historical evidence is that the author of Mark was not from Palestine, hence, his ignorance of the region's geography.

Evidence like the bad arguments in the OP?  I don't put a lot of stock in the argument of Jesus must walk in a straight line.
But if you would like to make the case, and present your evidence.   Go right ahead.
It is said that an argument is what convinces reasonable men and a proof is what it takes to convince even an unreasonable man.  - Alexander Vilenkin
If I am shown my error, I will be the first to throw my books into the fire.  - Martin Luther
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#34
RE: Amazing resources from Wikipedia.
(June 6, 2018 at 9:21 am)The Gentleman Bastard Wrote:
(June 6, 2018 at 6:43 am)Jehanne Wrote: GC,

I am not a classical scholar, I admit that, but I doubt that you or anyone else is so "brilliant" as to get a PhD in any subject, and by that very fact, be the cause of some major paradigm shift in academic studies in any academic discipline.

The fact that there are so few scholars who are Biblical inerrantists should tell you something, shouldn't it?

Dawn

It should tell him something, but he made up his mind ages ago and nothing will change it.

He's been brainwashed.
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#35
RE: Amazing resources from Wikipedia.
I sorry, if I'm coming off as a little rude.   I'm having a little bit of fun with this. But I tried explaining, that it doesn't follow, that because Person A said they went from X through Y to Z Locations, and that Y is out of the way between X and Z (I think it was by 20 miles so we are not talking days out of the way here).    It's perfectly reasonable that the author was saying that they went from X to Y and then to Z. They may have even spent a day or two in location Y but it's not recorded what they did. 

It's a bad argument, to say that because of this, that the author doesn't know the area, and therefore it's false; appealing to authority doesn't help this.
It is said that an argument is what convinces reasonable men and a proof is what it takes to convince even an unreasonable man.  - Alexander Vilenkin
If I am shown my error, I will be the first to throw my books into the fire.  - Martin Luther
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#36
RE: Amazing resources from Wikipedia.
(June 5, 2018 at 6:35 pm)RoadRunner79 Wrote:
(June 5, 2018 at 6:20 pm)Minimalist Wrote: Nah.... because even whatever asshole wrote "matthew" recognized that mark was a shithead and tried to correct his error.

http://www.biblicalcatholic.com/apologet...ospels.htm

That is a pretty bad one too. Would you like to discuss it, or abruptly change topics again.

So now you are going to tell me that Matty does not contradict Markey?  Go ahead.  This should be fun.  Tell me, how blind are you?
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#37
RE: Amazing resources from Wikipedia.
(June 6, 2018 at 11:57 am)Minimalist Wrote:
(June 5, 2018 at 6:35 pm)RoadRunner79 Wrote: That is a pretty bad one too. Would you like to discuss it, or abruptly change topics again.

So now you are going to tell me that Matty does not contradict Markey?  Go ahead.  This should be fun.  Tell me, how blind are you?

I think we talked about this before (maybe someone else, but this seems like the type of argument you like). I’m going to go from memory, so forgive me, for not using the names of the places.  So there is a difference between Matthew and Mark. But a difference is not necessarily a contradiction (as is the case here).  Matthew does mention the smaller town, and the one which makes the most sense given other descriptions.  The place that Mark mentions is a larger town in the area. It would be no different, then one person telling you they where in Squirrel Hill or Greentree and the other just says that they where in Pittsburgh.   Similarly when someone asked where I’m from, I may mention a nearby city, which they will recognize and means more to them, rather than the small one light town, which they never heard of.   And if you look, Mark does use the word for Country/Region when referring to the bigger nearby city.  Again, it’s not a difficulty with a little knowledge, and a little common sense thought.
It is said that an argument is what convinces reasonable men and a proof is what it takes to convince even an unreasonable man.  - Alexander Vilenkin
If I am shown my error, I will be the first to throw my books into the fire.  - Martin Luther
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#38
RE: Amazing resources from Wikipedia.
RR has his answer; he's just in search of arguments.
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#39
RE: Amazing resources from Wikipedia.
(June 6, 2018 at 12:32 pm)Jehanne Wrote: RR has his answer; he's just in search of arguments.

I'm engaging and thinking about the issue that was brought up.   I could just be making desperate appeals to motivations, or trying to change the topic.  I think that it is reasonable, and your interactions unfortunately typical.
It is said that an argument is what convinces reasonable men and a proof is what it takes to convince even an unreasonable man.  - Alexander Vilenkin
If I am shown my error, I will be the first to throw my books into the fire.  - Martin Luther
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#40
RE: Amazing resources from Wikipedia.
You can believe that Peter denied Jesus "6 times" (even if such an event happened at all, and it probably didn't), or that Jesus "cleansed" the Temple twice, separated by a year or two in time, if you want.

As for me, I think that it is pure rubbish.
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