Another reason to accept evolution.....

[Little Rik]

I always knew that atheists believe in miracles FM.

Here I got a small list of atheists miracles but the list is endless.  

1) Life come from non life.
2) The consciousness is a product of the brain.
3) When the body die also the consciousness die.
4) Physical science is the real McCoy.

and.....................blah,.........blah,........blah,...........

But don't worry too much brother FM because once you get out the corral of dogmas   you too will be able to see the light.
The light that allow a blind person to see for the first time ever.  

Okay, first of all you are listing the positions of materialists or naturalists rather than atheists.  I know a few people who don't believe in God who are still spiritualists.

Sorry Thor but you can not be a spiritualist and not believing in God.  
That is impossible.
Once you engage in spirituality and here I mean in the real spirituality you understand that within there is God.
God doesn't reside up in the heaven as some religions say but reside within and spirituality is none but the effort of finding this out.
All the rest is not spirituality.  

Second, you are listing such positions inaccurately.

I don't think so but let us see your points first.  

1) We know life comes from non-life because the carbon atoms in your body, for instance, are exactly the same as non-living carbon atoms.  Life comes from the complex interactions of non-living materials.  Nothing about life violates the laws of physics.

Sorry Thor but there is no such a thing as non-living carbon atoms.

Carbon atoms have six protons and (usually) six neutrons in the nucleus, and six electrons going around the outside.
This means that life is in there.
Non life does not move or be active in any way so obviously carbon atoms have life in them.  

2) Consciousness is a process of the brain.  It is an emergent property of a complex arrangement of matter, just like life is.

That is a load of garbage Thor.  

Consciousness is an abstract entity while the brain is not so the two have totally different forms.
Consciousness use the brain to draw energy from it in order to think and organize things as a driver would use a vehicle to move.
If you really think that........Consciousness is a process of the brain........then you can also think that the driver is a process of the vehicle.
That is pure madness and insanity Thor.  

3) Bodies do die.  Does consciousness?  I would say, rather, that consciousness disappears, since consciousness is a process rather than a being.  So for instance, if your computer malfunctions, the screen may go dark.  But if you fix the computer, it will work again.  The only difference is that the physical components of the body degrade very quickly when the system isn't working, so you only have a short time to fix them.

What a big big guess mate!
No, Thor.
You failed once again.  

Consciousness is NOT a process.
Consciousness is you.
YOU.
NDEs already proved that as the body die the consciousness separate from the body-brain in order to continue her journey as you would separate from your dead vehicle.
Why would you reside inside a wreck or die when your vehicle doesn't go anymore?   

4) Physical science is a detailed description of reality that works.  It depends on observations rather than speculations.

First of all Thor you should know what the reality is before you engage in speculations.
Physical science try to understand physical phenomena but everything in this universe move and change so what is valid today most of time will be cast in the rubbish bin tomorrow to leave space for a new discovery and this process goes on and on for ever with no end in sight.

The reality is a different story Thor.
The reality is UNCHANGEABLE and to know this real reality physical science is not of any use.  

It's best to avoid strawman arguments.  There's nothing miraculous about materialism if you know the details.  It's just the way the world works.

You have no idea of what you are talking about mate.

Atheists keep on talking and talking about matter but humans and everybody and everything else are not only made of matter.

If we would only be made of matter we wouldn't have any consciousness.
We wouldn't even be close to robot.
We would be nothing but we are US because beside matter we also have consciousness which is something that materialists fail to understand.

So let us now see the result of your points.
NONE IS VALID therefore you failed on all counts.  

[paulpablo]

I just realized how much I hate the word "instinct". So I am outside smoking a cig, and notice my friend's cat with something long and furry in it's mouth, couldn't tell what it was at first, but as I came closer I saw that it was a squirrel. I really could not be mad at the cat, but I was, shouted at it to drop it. Moreso because of the potential diseases, but admittedly emotionally I like squirrels. It ran and hid from me in a shed, but I followed, chased the cat away, again, moreso because of disease. Grabbed a garbage bag and picked it up and put it in it.

I can't stay mad at the cat because of EVOLUTION, not "instinct". There is a reason we call them cats, like we do tigers and lions. 

Humans kill too, and even just in sport, like this cat did. It didn't do that for food, my friend feeds that family of cats very well. It hunted that squirrel just like a kid plays an arcade game, or a family member goes shopping for a gift for you. It is quite common for cats to bring home dead animals because they are saying, "Hey, look what I did for you."

It is evolution. Life seeks resource, even in play, just like we humans like high scores in video games or "likes" on Facebook. Emotional reward to an animal can be merely capturing and killing, but not eating. Just like a arcade shooting video game you are not really killing anyone.

In young animals especially there is a lot of play interaction, just like kids. That play isn't real adult critical thinking of course, but the play stalking and fighting is how animals learn to survive and fend for themselves. This is not "instinct" this is evolution.

 Cats do have instincts.  Instincts and evolution go hand in hand rather than being mutually exclusive.  Animals have evolved instincts for survival.

[Little Rik]

Here I got a small list of atheists miracles but the list is endless.  

1) Life come from non life.

It's not a miracle if you can explain it and even test it.

So, where suppose to be the evidence that life pop up from non life?

Even simple molecules have life in it.

Get real FM.
The day you will be able to prove that simple molecules have no life in them then come back here to tell me.
In the meantime please look after yourself because too much guessing and daydream is definitively bad for you.  

[The Grand Nudger]

Interestingly, cats are born with the instinct to chase what runs and hunt other animals..but not with the knowledge of the suffocating bite - cats kill, primarily, by crushing the larynx.  Juxtapose this against the way that dogs kill..by goring, ripping, and exhaustion - which requires no specific learned skills.  

That;s one of the reasons why cats from the kitty mill so often play with their food, there was no occasion for their mother to teach them what to do once they;ve caught the thing.  Whereas you actually have to teach a dog -not- to tear the duck or the rabbit to shreds.  Any dog that just so happens to have a soft mouth is the dog you want to breed from.

[Alan V]

So let us now see the result of your points.
NONE IS VALID therefore you failed on all counts.  

You completely misunderstood the intention behind my post.  I was telling you how materialists see their own ideas as a correction to your misconceptions about them.  If you are going to disagree with materialists, you at least shouldn't misrepresent what they think.

I already knew you disagreed with materialists for bad reasons....

[Whateverist]

Kind of fun to come watch Rik eat another rat once in a while. Got our very own circus geek here. Hey, don't start throwing your feces around again Rik or we'll get the hose.

[Mystic]

I just realized how much I hate the word "instinct". So I am outside smoking a cig, and notice my friend's cat with something long and furry in it's mouth, couldn't tell what it was at first, but as I came closer I saw that it was a squirrel. I really could not be mad at the cat, but I was, shouted at it to drop it. Moreso because of the potential diseases, but admittedly emotionally I like squirrels. It ran and hid from me in a shed, but I followed, chased the cat away, again, moreso because of disease. Grabbed a garbage bag and picked it up and put it in it.

I can't stay mad at the cat because of EVOLUTION, not "instinct". There is a reason we call them cats, like we do tigers and lions. 

Humans kill too, and even just in sport, like this cat did. It didn't do that for food, my friend feeds that family of cats very well. It hunted that squirrel just like a kid plays an arcade game, or a family member goes shopping for a gift for you. It is quite common for cats to bring home dead animals because they are saying, "Hey, look what I did for you."

It is evolution. Life seeks resource, even in play, just like we humans like high scores in video games or "likes" on Facebook. Emotional reward to an animal can be merely capturing and killing, but not eating. Just like a arcade shooting video game you are not really killing anyone.

In young animals especially there is a lot of play interaction, just like kids. That play isn't real adult critical thinking of course, but the play stalking and fighting is how animals learn to survive and fend for themselves. This is not "instinct" this is evolution.

Data can be interpreted multiple ways.

How does your data not support design mega jumps of evolution by God as in he changes a species spontaneously with new features that are designed as opposed to slow changes of small mini mutations over time?

[The Grand Nudger]

Other than the fact that we see the small mutations and no giant leaps in "the design", you mean?  Not for nothing...but if you want to propose giant leaps..you;re going to need an entirely new mechanism..because that;s not how biology works.

At that point, what relevance does biology or biological data have to this hypothetical magic trick?

[Mystic]

Other than the fact that we see the small mutations and no giant leaps in "the design", you mean?  Not for nothing...but if you want to propose giant leaps..you;re going to need an entirely new mechanism..because that;s not how biology works.

At that point, what relevance does biology or biological data have to this hypothetical magic trick?

Fossil evidence and design in some parts of biology of creatures, I believe clearly shows, both happen. Small mutations and big leaps.  Small mutations cannot lead to all design, even if they traversed linearly because of irreducible complexity of some designs in biology.

[The Grand Nudger]

Other than the fact that we see the small mutations and no giant leaps in "the design", you mean?  Not for nothing...but if you want to propose giant leaps..you;re going to need an entirely new mechanism..because that;s not how biology works.

At that point, what relevance does biology or biological data have to this hypothetical magic trick?

Fossil evidence and design in some parts of biology of creatures, I believe clearly shows, both happen.

Your beliefs are historically unreliable, lol.

Small mutations and big leaps.

Again, not how biology works..and not even part of the theory of evolution.  That populations express incremental change generation over generation is an observed fact, not an inference or interpretation. Gods, and the designs of gods, are neither an observed fact nor a functional requirement of the change we do observe.

Small mutations cannot lead to all design, even if they traversed linearly because of irreducible complexity of some designs in biology.

Irreducible complexity is a non-thing.  If you;re basing your objection to biology based on your beliefs about fossils and irreducible complexity, this is a non-starter..and you still haven;t managed to present the hypthetical mechanism of magic. Meanwhile, we observe the changes between generations and their relationship to traits noted at the level of populations and individual organisms.

You are not a clone of your mother and father. No silly god was required to reach into your mothers womb and mess with your genetics in order to achieve this state of affairs.