Dualism and Trinity

[Succubus]

...there is no math in nature...

Musht be shome mishtake.

There are a lot of things going on there, including waves, but it is still just one thing in a beautiful harmonious symphonic interplay.

[Drich]

One thing certain is that: the particle/wave dualism is completely stupid! How in the fuck can light be both a wave and a particle?  Maxwell's equations? Einstein's relativity? Can you explain force? Show me a particle or, explain a field outside of particle theory? 

Isn't everything just a field with interaction, reaction and interplay?

There is one thing that is just as fucking stupid: Trinity doctrines!

On one end, I argue with quantum physics dualism, which is asinine! And on the other end, I argue with trinitarianism which is also asinine!


Can't God(cause) and nature(effect) be just one thing!

How can water both be a wave and a particle?

A unit of water/ one molecule of water is a particle yet when in a volume water in motion moves in waves.

like wise an individual unit of light is a particle, but in volume that is in motion it moves in a frequency/wave.

That said the trinity is more simple to understand.

God the word God itself is a title not an individual's name. 

As in:
God the Father 
God the Son
God the Holy Spirit.

There is only one "God" in three distinct persons.

[Haipule]

One thing certain is that: the particle/wave dualism is completely stupid! How in the fuck can light be both a wave and a particle?  Maxwell's equations? Einstein's relativity? Can you explain force? Show me a particle or, explain a field outside of particle theory? 

Isn't everything just a field with interaction, reaction and interplay?

There is one thing that is just as fucking stupid: Trinity doctrines!

On one end, I argue with quantum physics dualism, which is asinine! And on the other end, I argue with trinitarianism which is also asinine!


Can't God(cause) and nature(effect) be just one thing!

How can water both be a wave and a particle?

A unit of water/ one molecule of water is a particle yet when in a volume water in motion moves in waves.

like wise an individual unit of light is a particle, but in volume that is in motion it moves in a frequency/wave.

That said the trinity is more simple to understand.

God the word God itself is a title not an individual's name. 

As in:
God the Father 
God the Son
God the Holy Spirit.

There is only one "God" in three distinct persons.

There is not a single passage, or verse, that establishes "one "God" in three distinct persons"--NOT ONE! That is just 2nd century theologic nonsense from the likes of the Latin speaking clown Tertullian. "Big Father, smaller iesus and even smaller spiritus(breath)", And man who gave the world "trinitas". His doctrine has eventually become equals through further theologic nonsense.

Did Jesus say that, "I and the Father are one". Notice how essence is neither implied nor stated? Did Jesus say, "How long have you been with me Phillip?" 'Those who have been seeing me have been seeing the Father." 'How is it you ask me to 'show to you-all the Father'?"


Jesus is the Father because He is the Head of the house! And Paul said, "Who's house we are". Or, what does the word "Father" mean to you?


Does elohim mean "Father". Does El-Shaddai mean "Father". Does YHWY mean "Father". Do the Jews repeat. "The Lord is our God, the Lord is one"? In the OT: does "Lord" refer to Jesus? Did Jesus exist before He was even born? Good luck with your "Theophanies"!
 
Did any Jew ever, including Abraham, Moses, David, Jesus, Paul, Peter, James, John ever teach "The Trinity"?

Does the autographed language of the bible in John 1 say the that the Word was pros(in the accusative case, when the motion is complete, means: to affix, attach, connect, mount). Or, does it say the Word was "with" God? Was Jesus "with" the tree having an intimate relationship? Or, was Jesus pros--MOUNTED, AFFIXED and ATTACHED!


Did that connection of Word and God as one thing, according to John, make the all things of the universe to verse 5? And, in John 1:14 did that WORD-GOD became flesh? Is Jesus the Living Word according to 1 John 1:1? 


Well alrighty then! Wave/particle theory is just as stupid as "Trinity". Either way, the only way to be that insanely stupid is to go to college and learn the complete asinine insanity! Whether particle/wave duality or, "Trinity". Because college is were you learn how to be stupid from stupid. It's ok right? They gots a PHD! And you must pass the test and get the grade so we can all be assured that you properly know how to be just as stupid! Then you can take and pass a complete erroneous ordination test written by stupid! Then we can all play church! 


Ocean waves and water are one thing whether ocean, steam, ice! It's still all just water! (Being foolish)You see, there is this caterpillar and butterfly thingy which establishes a "duality". NO!!! It's just one thing! Always has been and always will be!

Like talking to a doorknob!

[Drich]

[Haipule]

Drich, You didn't deal with a single one of my attacks against theology! You just danced around doing the hula--poorly! I'm pretty sure you look stupid in a grass skirt but, I could be wrong about that.

DUDE! Did Jesus live, or even exist, before He was born? How?

If you say, yes: then you must establish a theophany of Jesus pre-birth! Which is IMPOSSIBLE! Since I know that that is impossible, and you are going to Colossians 1:16,--SHIT!

How in the HELL do you get "created" out of ktisis?! Paul merely establish that Jesus established(ktisis) all authority structures of thrones, dominions, rulers, etc, etc, etc.

And for that matter: barah(to speak into existence)! When every verb that has to do with the Latin pollution of creatura, are verbs of forming(Adam), building Eve(banah), making, etc. Then NOTHING is "created"! Nothing is an independent "creature"! EVERYTHING HAS BEEN MADE! For a specific purpose and destiny!

I had to live in followship of Jesus independent of you so that I had the opportunity to be independent of you and your kind! You can't hold me back with your complete bullshit! I was brought here to bling, to shine and be glorious! This thing I have busied myself with! I have NOT been disappointed!

I am a Christian and NOT "Christianity"!! I have a unique purpose and destiny(anointing) and must complete my mission! I will NEVER stand before God, at the bema, and make an excuse for following your complete dumbassedness!

I have to stand there, I HAVE TO STAND THERE! FUCK YOU! And when it's my turn at the bema--WEAR SHADES!!!!

I study the five crowns--NOT THE FIVE CLOWNS!!!!!

[brewer]

Can you keep drich here for as long as possible?

[Minimalist]

Yeah, you keep him talking and we'll call 9-1-1. The boy needs help.

[Haipule]

Yeah, you keep him talking and we'll call 9-1-1.  The boy needs help.

That's the point: my good friend! It's the difference between arithmetic vs. math. Which is similar to: Cooking vs. Recipe. Any idiot can read a recipe! But, how many really know how to cook? The difference between cooing and recipe is vast! Same with arithmetic and math.

Heat + Food = Cooking. Somehow, that simple equation got lost in the recipe!

[Minimalist]

Dripshit doesn't know how to get his head out of his own ass so, no.  I would not trust his cooking.

[Haipule]

Drich: I do understand that God is revealed to us in a multicity of ways far beyond "triune". Both in the OT and NT. Yet, united as Jesus, the promised Messiah, in the NT. Therefore God is a man or, also man. By my claiming that Jesus is God: I am not a fucking Mormon or JW!

Also, the Nicene Creed can bite me!

The "Holy Spirit" IS the revelation of God, given through logos(words that reveal intellect) known universally as SCRIPTURE--the theopnustos--God-Breathed SCRIPTURE! It is revealed as such in every one of those 44 occurrences!

"David said, in the (spirit)pneuma", the God-Breathed Scripture. NOT "THE SPIRIT"! The words are usually written as 'pneuma hagion' which is a NEUTER noun with a NEUTER adjective. The adjective is hagion which means pure, unpolluted, undefiled making it special and unique, separating a class from a class. It is in the predicate position which means it is making an assertation about the noun it modifies. The noun is pneuma which means (depending on the usage in context) living-breath or, the breath of intellect given from an exterior source, such as the God-Breathed Scriptures.

Internal, born with, intellect and instinct, is Scripturally known as psuchE. Unfortunately, some IDIOT translated that as "soul". pneuma is information external that we glean and gather when we communicate with others or, read their books, watch TV, etc. Unfortunately, some idiot translated that as "Spirit". It's not that animals have a "soul" but do not have a "Spirit". It is that animals have a natural instinctive intellect but they do not posses the ability to glean information such as to read a book.

Hebrews 4:12 tells us that the Word of God acts like a knife and can divide stupid psuchE from smart psuchE and stupid pneuma from smart pneuma. It, the Logos of God, His pneuma/logos/Scripture, is fixing the problem through division!

hagion, in the masculine, is hagios. And some IDIOT translated that as "saint". Therefore, we go through a purification process known as hagiosmos, or purification some IDIOT translated as "sanctification".

In the Greek, the masculine gender often refers to everyone or a large segment of the population. Female groups are female and masculine small groups are masculine. However, smaller mixed groups are always neuter.

Therefore, the Greek phrase "to pneuma to hagion"(thee pneuma-breath (namely)thee pure), often refers to us as a pure breath of God' male and female. Therefore, Ananias and Saphira did NOT lie to the "Holy Spirit"! They lied to the congregation that was with Peter that Peter called 'to hagion to pneuma' as plainly stated in context.

To "grieve the Holy Spirit" then is to cause sorrows(plural) to the 'to pneuma to hagion' that are in congregation which is the context of Ephesians 4.

If you wish to argue this with me, PLEASE, PLEASE, PLEASE stay out of John 14! I have no problem with the passage AT ALL! It's just that the gender changes between pneuma and paraklEtos are mind numbing in English. However, make perfect sense in Greek.