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jimhabegger · July 2, 2018 at 8:49 pm

I think that a certain kind of faith in God is the best thing that can happen to anyone, and what the world needs most of all, for human progress, and to right the wrongs and repair the damage. Rather than trying to explain what kind of faith I mean, I'll start by giving an example of how it might happen. I'm not sure it can happen this way, but it's the best way I can think of to illustrate how I think it might happen. A person might read the gospel stories in some Christian Bible, and learn to love and trust Jesus enough to want to follow Him, and learn from Him how to live a better life. I don't think that a person needs to believe that anything in the gospel stories ever actually happened, or believe in any god, or even believe that any such person as Jesus ever actually existed, in order for God to grant them that kind of faith.

ignoramus · July 2, 2018 at 8:52 pm

Welcome Jim.

So basically, a book on being moral?
Isn't it more of a failing on the parents if one is forced to learn from a book in later life?

No Jesus character necessary...
(For that matter, Disney has taught kids more about morality than Jesus or the bible ever could... sad really.)

**The Valkyrie** · July 2, 2018 at 8:54 pm

What the world needs is a 60% reduction in the human population and for humanity to stop acting like children and grow the hell up.

In my opinion, anyway.

ignoramus · (This post was last modified: July 2, 2018 at 8:56 pm by ignoramus.)

Don't listen to the Valkyrie Jim.
She's trigger happy with nukes! Big Grin

**The Valkyrie** · July 2, 2018 at 8:57 pm

(July 2, 2018 at 8:55 pm)ignoramus Wrote: Don't listen to the Valkyrie Jim.
She's trigger happy with nukes!

"Sanity adjacent".

Wink

Fireball · (This post was last modified: July 2, 2018 at 10:03 pm by Fireball.)

What the world needs is for those religious people to go worship their respective deities in a closet, and leave the rest of the population alone, instead of sticking their blue noses into other people's business. There's a reason it's called "A Grudge of Christian Women". And you can take all those well-meaning preacher men and dunk them like was done to women suspected of being witches. With weights on their legs.

Angrboda · July 2, 2018 at 10:08 pm

(July 2, 2018 at 8:49 pm)jimhabegger Wrote: I think that a certain kind of faith in God is the best thing that can happen to anyone, and what the world needs most of all, for human progress, and to right the wrongs and repair the damage. Rather than trying to explain what kind of faith I mean, I'll start by giving an example of how it might happen. I'm not sure it can happen this way, but it's the best way I can think of to illustrate how I think it might happen. A person might read the gospel stories in some Christian Bible, and learn to love and trust Jesus enough to want to follow Him, and learn from Him how to live a better life. I don't think that a person needs to believe that anything in the gospel stories ever actually happened, or believe in any god, or even believe that any such person as Jesus ever actually existed, in order for God to grant them that kind of faith.

Then why do we need to get it from the story of Jesus, I mean, besides his flair and panache for cursing fig trees out of season?

**brewer** · July 2, 2018 at 10:25 pm

OP: Why then do we need the jesus fantasy story? After all, man created the god(s)/jesus story, not the other way around.

If all it takes is a good fantasy, how about Superman morality? Maybe Silmarillion morality?

I'll stick with the morality provided by humans and society, no fantasy needed.

**Joods** · July 2, 2018 at 10:36 pm

(July 2, 2018 at 8:49 pm)jimhabegger Wrote: I think that a certain kind of faith in God is the best thing that can happen to anyone, and what the world needs most of all, for human progress, and to right the wrongs and repair the damage. Rather than trying to explain what kind of faith I mean, I'll start by giving an example of how it might happen. I'm not sure it can happen this way, but it's the best way I can think of to illustrate how I think it might happen. A person might read the gospel stories in some Christian Bible, and learn to love and trust Jesus enough to want to follow Him, and learn from Him how to live a better life. I don't think that a person needs to believe that anything in the gospel stories ever actually happened, or believe in any god, or even believe that any such person as Jesus ever actually existed, in order for God to grant them that kind of faith.

Hi and welcome.

And - how do you know you picked the right god to have faith in? What if it's not the god of the Abrahamic variety. What if it's the FSM? What if the pastafarians had it right all along?

**chimp3** · July 2, 2018 at 10:37 pm

(July 2, 2018 at 8:49 pm)jimhabegger Wrote: I think that a certain kind of faith in God is the best thing that can happen to anyone, and what the world needs most of all, for human progress, and to right the wrongs and repair the damage. Rather than trying to explain what kind of faith I mean, I'll start by giving an example of how it might happen. I'm not sure it can happen this way, but it's the best way I can think of to illustrate how I think it might happen. A person might read the gospel stories in some Christian Bible, and learn to love and trust Jesus enough to want to follow Him, and learn from Him how to live a better life. I don't think that a person needs to believe that anything in the gospel stories ever actually happened, or believe in any god, or even believe that any such person as Jesus ever actually existed, in order for God to grant them that kind of faith.

I think that is where we have been for a long time. So....Paradise yet?

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