Laws regarding seatbelts and cigarettes

[Anomalocaris]

Is it still voluntary to wear a motorcycle helmet in some places over there?

Why should people who have no brains to protect be required to wear a helmet to protect what is not there?

[CapnAwesome]

Seatbelt saved my life. I think everyone should wear one. Cigs are just a drug, and should be legal.

[mlmooney89]

Now in Australia you can buy both booze and smokes STILL, but what they don't do is put adult products in the same store that a kid would be allowed in, not even beer.

That sounds terribly inconvenient lol. I already get irritated that I have to go to another store to buy gin, I'd be super white trash pissed if I had to buy my beer in another store.

I agree, honestly. If I want to be stupid and kill myself by not wearing a seat belt that's my right. Though cars nowadays beep relentlessly when you don't, so you sort of have to anyways.

One of the reasons I've seen discussed, one that's honestly pretty damn convincing too, is that someone else gets to scrape you off the highway, and that someone else may suffer greatly for having to do so.

We don't live in a bubble.  A gruesome roadway death does not happen in isolation.  Other human beings (often first responders) have to pry smashed up people out of cars, clean up mangled corpses, and suffer the mental health issues that come with seeing, smelling, and touching all of that.  Not only that but think of the trauma caused to other innocent motorists.  Those that see it and perhaps others in the same accident, through no fault of their own.  Poor little Jimmy not only was injured through the fault of driver A driving recklessly, but then saw driver A's bloody corpse tossed down the roadway, and now needs counseling and does poorly in school due to PTSD.  

I'm not just making this up.  It has happened to people.  So that's one reason seatbelts are mandatory.

Yes and one of their names is Tony Rodriguez and I worry about him constantly. He seems indestructible but sometimes when he gets drunk he cries over the children he couldn't save.

The exact same thing that happened anyway. I busted out two windows with my head and nearly went through the windshield.

I imagine you would have been flying out of the windshield without one .But wasn't there so not going to state that as a fact .

The windshield stopped me from going through it. Regardless, my seatbelt shouldn't have broke.

I am willing to bet that the snapping of the seat belt slowed you down enough to not go all the way through the window. Should it have snapped? No. Did it keep you from ending up outside of the car? Most likely.

[The Valkyrie]

Is it still voluntary to wear a motorcycle helmet in some places over there?

Why should people who have no brains to protect be required to wear a helmet to protect what is not there?

Because they save lives. A motorcycle helmet saved mine.

And because those who say “let the riders decide” aren’t those who have to respond and clean up the mess.

😉

[Aroura]

One of the reasons I've seen discussed, one that's honestly pretty damn convincing too, is that someone else gets to scrape you off the highway, and that someone else may suffer greatly for having to do so.

We don't live in a bubble.  A gruesome roadway death does not happen in isolation.  Other human beings (often first responders) have to pry smashed up people out of cars, clean up mangled corpses, and suffer the mental health issues that come with seeing, smelling, and touching all of that.  Not only that but think of the trauma caused to other innocent motorists.  Those that see it and perhaps others in the same accident, through no fault of their own.  Poor little Jimmy not only was injured through the fault of driver A driving recklessly, but then saw driver A's bloody corpse tossed down the roadway, and now needs counseling and does poorly in school due to PTSD.  

I'm not just making this up.  It has happened to people.  So that's one reason seatbelts are mandatory.

Yes and one of their names is Tony Rodriguez and I worry about him constantly. He seems indestructible but sometimes when he gets drunk he cries over the children he couldn't save.

I'm so sorry to hear that!  First responders really are incredible.  I cannot imagine volunteering to do what any of them do.  It takes real strength of character.  And you have to be his rock when he's distraught over what he's seen.  ~hugs~ to you both.

[Joods]

Now in Australia you can buy both booze and smokes STILL, but what they don't do is put adult products in the same store that a kid would be allowed in, not even beer.

That sounds terribly inconvenient lol. I already get irritated that I have to go to another store to buy gin, I'd be super white trash pissed if I had to buy my beer in another store.

One of the reasons I've seen discussed, one that's honestly pretty damn convincing too, is that someone else gets to scrape you off the highway, and that someone else may suffer greatly for having to do so.

We don't live in a bubble.  A gruesome roadway death does not happen in isolation.  Other human beings (often first responders) have to pry smashed up people out of cars, clean up mangled corpses, and suffer the mental health issues that come with seeing, smelling, and touching all of that.  Not only that but think of the trauma caused to other innocent motorists.  Those that see it and perhaps others in the same accident, through no fault of their own.  Poor little Jimmy not only was injured through the fault of driver A driving recklessly, but then saw driver A's bloody corpse tossed down the roadway, and now needs counseling and does poorly in school due to PTSD.  

I'm not just making this up.  It has happened to people.  So that's one reason seatbelts are mandatory.

Yes and one of their names is Tony Rodriguez and I worry about him constantly. He seems indestructible but sometimes when he gets drunk he cries over the children he couldn't save.

I imagine you would have been flying out of the windshield without one .But wasn't there so not going to state that as a fact .

The windshield stopped me from going through it. Regardless, my seatbelt shouldn't have broke.

I am willing to bet that the snapping of the seat belt slowed you down enough to not go all the way through the window. Should it have snapped? No. Did it keep you from ending up outside of the car? Most likely.

Not really. The guy slammed into the right front quarter panel of my vehicle at 60 miles an hour. That was the first impact. It caused my head to bust out the drivers side window and also spun my car to the left, going the same direction of travel as he was going. That first hit also broke the seat belt. The second hit came because once he spun me, he was still carrying momentum and he then ass-ended me, causing me to fly over to the passenger side, busting out that window. That hit was also hard enough to send my car over a curb and down into a ravine. It was the movement of going down the hill, and gaining speed, which caused me to hit the windshield when the car took a nose dive into a ravine.

[CapnAwesome]

Now in Australia you can buy both booze and smokes STILL, but what they don't do is put adult products in the same store that a kid would be allowed in, not even beer.

That sounds terribly inconvenient lol. I already get irritated that I have to go to another store to buy gin, I'd be super white trash pissed if I had to buy my beer in another store.

One of the reasons I've seen discussed, one that's honestly pretty damn convincing too, is that someone else gets to scrape you off the highway, and that someone else may suffer greatly for having to do so.

We don't live in a bubble.  A gruesome roadway death does not happen in isolation.  Other human beings (often first responders) have to pry smashed up people out of cars, clean up mangled corpses, and suffer the mental health issues that come with seeing, smelling, and touching all of that.  Not only that but think of the trauma caused to other innocent motorists.  Those that see it and perhaps others in the same accident, through no fault of their own.  Poor little Jimmy not only was injured through the fault of driver A driving recklessly, but then saw driver A's bloody corpse tossed down the roadway, and now needs counseling and does poorly in school due to PTSD.  

I'm not just making this up.  It has happened to people.  So that's one reason seatbelts are mandatory.

Yes and one of their names is Tony Rodriguez and I worry about him constantly. He seems indestructible but sometimes when he gets drunk he cries over the children he couldn't save.

I imagine you would have been flying out of the windshield without one .But wasn't there so not going to state that as a fact .

The windshield stopped me from going through it. Regardless, my seatbelt shouldn't have broke.

I am willing to bet that the snapping of the seat belt slowed you down enough to not go all the way through the window. Should it have snapped? No. Did it keep you from ending up outside of the car? Most likely.

Brian isn't right about how buying booze is in Australia. It's sort of another store, but just attached to the supermarket. Sometimes not even divided by a wall, making it basically no more than a booze section. What's funny is that he could of just said Canada, where you can't buy alcohol in a supermarket.

[Minimalist]

Is it still voluntary to wear a motorcycle helmet in some places over there?

Voluntary in Arizona.  That's okay though.  Cuts down on the number of assholes riding motorcycles.

[Little lunch]

You can get cigarettes at any supermarket in Australia but it's behind the counter, out of sight.
The only alcohol you can get in a supermarket is Japanese cooking wine.
I'm not sure about down south but that's how it is in Queensland.

[Aegon]

I agree, honestly. If I want to be stupid and kill myself by not wearing a seat belt that's my right. Though cars nowadays beep relentlessly when you don't, so you sort of have to anyways.

One of the reasons I've seen discussed, one that's honestly pretty damn convincing too, is that someone else gets to scrape you off the highway, and that someone else may suffer greatly for having to do so.

We don't live in a bubble.  A gruesome roadway death does not happen in isolation.  Other human beings (often first responders) have to pry smashed up people out of cars, clean up mangled corpses, and suffer the mental health issues that come with seeing, smelling, and touching all of that.  Not only that but think of the trauma caused to other innocent motorists.  Those that see it and perhaps others in the same accident, through no fault of their own.  Poor little Jimmy not only was injured through the fault of driver A driving recklessly, but then saw driver A's bloody corpse tossed down the roadway, and now needs counseling and does poorly in school due to PTSD.  

I'm not just making this up.  It has happened to people.  So that's one reason seatbelts are mandatory.

That's fair. I don't have an argument against that.