Ontological Disproof of God

[Astreja]

Astreja No, only just when our entire American/World legal system is predicated upon the model of an exhalted [sic] high placed jurist passing judgement upon others via an ontologically nonsensical language of law. 

What are you on about?  One does not need a god, or even a god-myth, to have a functional legal code.

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Of course, I can't help appreciate the irony of someone who claims they're too intelligent to clarify and condense what they mean in the same breath as patting themselves for how much studying they've done themselves.

Why tart up one's language to make it smugly incomprehensible, unless the underlying ideas are pure bollocks and the author wants it to be incomprehensible to hide that fatal flaw?

[emjay]

Dude, it's:

Code:

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Somehow you're putting the content to quote inside the opening quote tag, after the equals sign, where the author is supposed to go... instead of between the opening and closing quote tags.

[vulcanlogician]

He's emulating Spinoza's writing style and format. Looking over it again, I see that he has labeled the second line with a letter--"a"-- to denote that he is giving a definition. Axioms are missing. And I assume the numbered points are the propositions. Spinoza wrote Ethics in the form of a geometric proof. Apparently the OP has borrowed his method.

Now that I see what he's done, I may try to wade into the text. A few of his sentences (while verbose) do actually demonstrate some understanding on his part. I'll wait and see if he sticks around before wasting my time, of course.

When I first began studying philosophy seriously, I would journal in the style of Friedrich Nietzsche, in whose work I had begun to immerse myself. Not my best writing, but everybody has to start somewhere. Emulation is a good way to get your feet wet, provided one moves on at some point.

I think we have a young philosopher here. One who's been inspired by Spinoza. If this is the case, he deserves some credit for taking on such a challenging work (the Ethics) at the outset of his studies.

@OP Are you in college? High School?

[negatio]

Increase the dose of Lithium and/or Depakote.

 Okay, Brewer. Of course, the ultimate explanation for my language must indubitably be that I am totally dosed-out on idiosyncratic toxicants ! Plato contended that a person\'s last name is indication of their character; thus, the implication your name pronounces to the world is that you are comprehensible, and you comprehend your sociosphere, sadly, via notions attendant upon intoxication. However, I simply am not the stoner you mistakenly ascribe to my person via the  genetic bent whereby you, as a matter of course, espy pharmaceutical intoxication even when and where it is not !  I am clearly on a natural high which no Brewer-being can readily attain. You insult me sir. Duane C.

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[Minimalist]

@OP Are you in college? High School?

Trump University?

[brewer]

Increase the dose of Lithium and/or Depakote.

 Okay, Brewer. Of course, the ultimate explanation for my language must indubitably be that I am totally dosed-out on idiosyncratic toxicants ! Plato contended that a person\'s last name is indication of their character; thus, the implication your name pronounces to the world is that you are comprehensible, and you comprehend your sociosphere, sadly, via notions attendant upon intoxication. However, I simply am not the stoner you mistakenly ascribe to my person via the  genetic bent whereby you, as a matter of course, espy pharmaceutical intoxication even when and where it is not !  I am clearly on a natural high which no Brewer-being can readily attain. You insult me sir. Duane C.

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You just proved that you're not as intelligent as you believe you are. Why don't you look up each ones use and then take a look at your writing when compared to others. My comment/conclusion should then become fairly obvious, even to you.

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[negatio]

He's emulating Spinoza's writing style and format. Looking over it again, I see that he has labeled the second line with a letter--"a"-- to denote that he is giving a definition. Axioms are missing. And I assume the numbered points are the propositions. Spinoza wrote Ethics in the form of a geometric proof. Apparently the OP has borrowed his method.

Now that I see what he's done, I may try to wade into the text. A few of his sentences (while verbose) do actually demonstrate some understanding on his part. I'll wait and see if he sticks around before wasting my time, of course.

When I first began studying philosophy seriously, I would journal in the style of Friedrich Nietzsche, in whose I had begun to immerse myself. Not my best writing, but everybody has to start somewhere. Emulation is a good way to get your feet wet, provided one moves on at some point.

I think we have a young philosopher here. One who's been inspired by Spinoza. If this is the case, he deserves some credit for taking on such a challenging work (the Ethics) at the outset of his studies.

@OP Are you in college? High School?

  The only Spinoza I know for certain that I have ever read is "determinatio negatio est", and, perhaps some other Spinoza along the way, which I do not recall.  Try Wittgenstein as the influence whereby I ineluctably write numbered fragments.  A perfect writing style for one who experiences thought/language as fragmentary; although I think my fragments, taken together, amount to one radically forceful polemic against a jurisprudantially oriented civilization, whereby we are daily reduced to deeper and deeper peonage, because, we lack reflective comprehension of our own  personal ontological freedom.The one post is the only posting which I will ever submit; therein I have said, in what is actually a fairly brief treatise, all, thus far, that I wish to set forth.  Spinoza\'s dictum contains infinite riches, and, I have been fortunate to derive some fabulous wealth therefrom, via my reflections upon what Sartre has given us, which is totally predicated, over and over and over again, upon " All determination is negation."  I am 73 years of age; spent 46 years as intermittent full and part time GI bill/part time job, undergraduate, (while constantly sailing San Francisco Bay/Delta), and, finally, took a mere B.A., in Philosophy, in 2007, from CSUEB.  I am merely totally immersed in all of Sartre

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[vulcanlogician]

Hey, you are formatting the quotes incorrectly, man. Fix that.

PS: It has been shown by emjay and myself how to quote properly... read back through our posts in the thread.

[negatio]

LOL.  You don’t wanna roll around in the grime with us cave dwellers, eh?  Your loss, man.  We eat cotton candy and jerk-off all day. 😏

 I crawled up out of that shadowy cave so very long ago, that I have essentially completely lost the ability to address those currently dwelling there, via their own basic language. Clearly they repeatedly assert that I am not understood, and that I speak gobbledeegook; that I should speak only in their plain and simple ordinary language, and, therefore, be understood !  (If you want to read a thinker who wrote in radically simple language, and, yet was radically difficult to sort out, reference F.H. Bradley\'s Appearance and Reality). Simple ordinary language is no guarantee of attaining communication with others...My language is so radically transcendent that I do  not any longer have the capability of communicating, in simple ordinary terms, with those in the Platonic cave.  However, believe it or not, this essay is my most profound attempt to communicate ideas which I have seen, since crawling up into the light, in the least complex way which, given my current sapientality, that I can now possibly muster. Girl, I would love to roll around in the grime with you in a shadowy Platonic cave and, perhaps engage the very most fundamental sense of all, feeling...

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[vulcanlogician]

Part of coming out of the cave is learning the basic syntax of forums you post on.

https://atheistforums.org/thread-3560.html