Ontological Disproof of God

[Whateverist]

You just like to stroke your e-peen with big words you don't even know the meaning of, and imitating the syntax of long dead people.

Since age thirteen I have spent sixty years reading philosophical writing that takes years and years to understand, and, I thought others relished the same process of encountering a written text which is seemingly unintelligible, and, after tremendous effort, coming to find that it is an absolutely beautiful ilk of thought poetry which transforms you being; nevertheless, you prefer nothing more that a simplistic homeostasis...wow, that is really living !  Your above quote is  stupidly childish, yea, sure, I don't know the meaning of anything.. never having realized an original idea...too bad you are too torpid and simple to even begin to follow my notion of jurisprudential illusion, for the sake of uplifting your personal ontological freedom.  The more I encounter nasty little jerks like you the more I realize how many fools this site suffers !

Personally I'm a fan of plain talk.  Usually if a thing makes any sense it should be possible to say it simply.

Beyond that, you haven't established a reasonable expectation that a long post by you will be worth the bother to read.  You would do much better to make one point at a time when posting on a discussion forums such as this.

As you can see here, when you expect too much from another discussant without establishing rapport you elicit resentment.

[KevinM1]

I would pay to see negatio attempt to order food at a drive-thru.

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Also, for all of negatio's attempts to dazzle us with vocabulary, most of it is simply riddled with too many flourishes and odd turns of phrase ("while, all the while," using "ilk" without an established reference, etc.). Good writing is elegant. I mean, take the following:

Since age thirteen I have spent sixty years reading philosophical writing that takes years and years to understand, and, I thought others relished the same process of encountering a written text which is seemingly unintelligible, and, after tremendous effort, coming to find that it is an absolutely beautiful ilk of thought poetry which transforms you being

A quick rewrite would be:

Since age thirteen I have spent sixty years reading philosophy that takes many years to understand, let alone master. I thought others relished the same process of encountering text which is seemingly unintelligible at first, but, after tremendous effort, finding that it is actually beautiful thought poetry which transforms your very being

Small changes, but the removal of cruft makes it easier to read. Like I implied before, there's a difference between style and cramming in as many words as you know.

Assuming you're not a troll (of which I'm absolutely not convinced), learn to edit yourself and accept that in a attempt to transmit ideas, any language that distracts from that transmission should be omitted. More isn't always better, and requests for clarification aren't an indication of a simple mind. But, my degree is in communication, so what do I know?

[negatio]

You would do much better to make one point at a time when posting on a discussion forums such as this.

Man o man, I couldn't agree with you more Whateverist, I did not know my ass from a hole in the ground when I decided that I wanted to put my writing among people on an Atheist Forum, so I so stupidly posted the enormous OP; Jesus, I was very soon wearing a crown of thorns, bleeding and carrying a heavy cross of constant ad hominem insult and horrid ill conduct against me, by some really fucking stupid and violent members. On second thought, it may not have worked out too well for me to have posted even the first sentence of my OP...I just do not know. Mathilda kindly informed me of where I was headed at the hand of members. I kindly thanked her and said I had written my last sentence of this forum to her. Then, Bennyboy kindly accosted me, and, I had to come back to respond to his interesting attempt to figure me out ! Then I found the time to learn to properly quote members, which was like learning Chinese, I could not get it into my thick head. Now things are smooth, but I am still being radically insulted by trolls that do not realize they are trolling me, and, really beginning to think I do not like this constant pecking, and, am throwing my pearls before swine, when, I come to find it may not be pearls I have cast, but something that people cannot much respect, and, when I give rational guess as to why I am being scorned, I receive further rude criticism, making me feel like my writing is absolutely worthless and ugly, when the scorners are clearly not even able to comprehend what I am saying, which is intelligible stuff, just not intelligible to torpid and violent mentalities... I have rewritten some of the OP, but I have cast it in such simple language that it reads as totally boring and at like kindergarten level, so that dog won't hunt. I need to find a forum of existentialists, but have not found anything like that...

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let alone master

KevinM1 Where do you get off writing, in my stead, what you think I should think. Oh, sure, I should have said ''let alone master", which is dumb, because after taking years to understand something like the double nihilation, you have pretty much mastered the notion. Yes, of course, you are going to instruct me in how to correctly set out my thoughts, in accordance with your clearer and superior mode of thinking...Jesus fucking Christ, perhaps I should stick around here and get pecked to death just in order to hopefully impart to young bucks who know how I should write better then I, enough about absolute freedom to realize that they cannot possibly direct my consciousness by condescending to become my tutor, and, attempting to constitute me as an inferior person, who needs to be properly guided by their infinite wisdom...give me a fucking break !

[emjay]

There's something strangely endearing in that, and in your writing

emjay Your post is radically beautifully written. Yes I met a person one time who came over to by house to sell me a computer, and after hearing me talk for a bit told me about a television program where the people talked like me, he absolutely loves that ilk speech, it is so high-handed and natural for the persons he is telling me about that it is totally totally funny and delightful...I think sometimes my high-fallutin fancy pants mode of phrasing can really, occasionally, exhibit a poetic meter, which is truly beautiful...It is a pleasure to meet someone who does not mind just letting me be the weird fuck with a superior IQ who speaks differently that the vast majority of persons...its a blast for some of the people one meets to hear speech alike the stuff they saw on TV, in real life ! Maybe someday I could really become a straight-up plainspoken guy, like Pinochio wanted to someday realize being a real boy !

You're not English by any chance are you (I am)?, cos somehow I can just imagine that happening (the computer salesman thing)... because I think I've met one or two people in my whole life who stand out because they talk that sort of quintessentially olde-English way, and when I have, reacted the same way as that salesman... ie inclined to comment on it... to them and/or to others.

There is someone else on this forum, I won't say who though, who talks a lot like you imo, so if you stick around maybe you'll find each other and get on like a house on fire

One bit of advice though, I wouldn't make a big thing of having a high IQ, whether you have one or not, because that can be seen as boastful/superior, and is another thing shit and runner's like to do, often clearly and completely without merit Basically, no one likes a show off... so just sayin'.

[KevinM1]

More whining, more griping, more stubbornness. Yes, it's everyone else's problem but yours. I get it, you're so obviously superior to everyone, and it's simply the cruel irony of the simpleton at play that no one is willing to dig through your bullshit in order to read your great work.

Purportedly 76 years of living on this planet, and with all that time spent on philosophy you apparently discarded or neglected to learn humility.

I'm trying to help you get your screed read, and all I get is bitter reprisal. I'm speaking from my area of expertise (well, one of them), but you refuse to listen. Who's the simpleton now, eh? Who can't even consider that *gasp* the way they're trying to communicate isn't working, and that, perhaps, a different approach is necessary?

Maybe if you shut up and listen you'll actually learn something. Your age and the time you supposedly spent on this means fuck-all if you can't get people to read it and engage with you.

And, again, to me, all of this points to you being a troll. An actual rational person would take a step back and engage in self-reflection given that the consensus is a failure to communicate from your end. An actual rational person would take criticism in the manner it was intended.

So, yes, whine, gripe, stomp your feet. You're no closer to getting anyone to read your treatise now than before, are you?

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I mean, for fuck's sake, I deal with specific computer jargon.  But I don't chastise my clients for not spending years learning to grasp and speak the lingo.  Instead, I explain things in terms they can understand.  It may take more time, but that's not a big deal to me.

Similarly, in the realm of programming, people communicate and ask questions all the time.  The least acceptable form of etiquette in those instances is to provide links that explain the ideas that underpin the problem and/or solution.  Even then, an actual explanation (with relevant examples) is always better received.

Certain philosophical ideas may be complex, but I doubt that anything you've come up with is irreducible.  So, be a good boy, get over yourself, and make an effort to engage.  Or, fuck off.  I really don't care which.

[negatio]

humility

Kevin, please leave me absolutely alone. I am not a troll. Reference Bennyboy's opinion regarding that within this thread. Rather, it appears you are trolling me. I am 72 not 76, and you are unwarrantedly making me angry with your constant chiding. Again, leave me be.

[KevinM1]

Apologies for getting your age wrong. I stand by the rest.

[negatio]

You're not English by any chance are you (I am)?

Emjay. I was born in Canada in 1945 during the second world war. My dad, an American, was in the US Army Air Corps at Edmonton, Alberta.My mom was a Ukranian girl from Two Hills, somewhere near Edmonton. I had dual citizenship up the age of 21. However, I was an American the moment I was born, because my father was American. I came to the US at three months of age, have been here ever since, and am an American. Bennyboy, a senior member on this forum, wrote his analysis of what I am doing on this site, and, he has assured everyone that I am not a troll, and, he said that I was clearly a person with an high IQ, I did not initiate that, but Bennyboy put it out there. Stanford University told me that I have a superior IQ in a variable range, which must mean that some days I am dumber than others ! I am not bragging, just supporting Bennyboy's estimation, so to speak. Thank you for the caution. You are clearly a very nice and decent fellow, British, that's great. Captain James Cook was my favorite author when I was a boy, his journals are fascinating. I take it you are in finals and soon to take your degree, commendable !

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Apologies for getting your age wrong. I stand by the rest.

I don't give a fucking shit what you stand by; I think you want to purposely make trouble for me with all this troll shit; as I see it you are trolling me...trying to alienate me, and you have succeeded in alienating me. Best just forget I exist and stay away from me...

[Kernel Sohcahtoa]

You're not English by any chance are you (I am)?

Emjay.  I was born  in Canada in 1945 during the second world war.  My dad, an American, was in the US Army Air Corps at Edmonton, Alberta.My mom was a Ukranian girl from Two Hills, somewhere near Edmonton.  I had dual citizenship up the age of 21.  However, I was an American the moment I was born, because my father was American. I came to the US at three months of age, have been here ever since, and am an American.  Bennyboy, a senior member on this forum, wrote his analysis of what I am doing on this site, and, he has assured everyone that I am not a troll, and, he said that I was clearly a person with an high IQ, I did not initiate that, but Bennyboy put it out there.  Stanford University told me that I have a superior IQ in a variable range, which must mean that some days I am dumber than others !  I am not bragging, just supporting Bennyboy's estimation, so to speak.  Thank you for the caution.  You are clearly a very nice and decent fellow, British, that's great.  Captain James Cook was my favorite author when I was a boy, his journals are fascinating.  I take it you are in finals and soon to take your degree, commendable !

Thanks for sharing, negatio.  That's pretty neat.  Years ago, I was very interested in intelligence/IQ.  Via my interactions with  an experienced psychometrist, I learned that people can have a personal bell-curve of IQ scores.  For example, lets assume that on a given IQ test, 100 is the average score, 15 points is the standard deviation from the mean, and 130+ is in the very superior range (as per the Wechsler scales). Suppose we are testing an individual who is suspected to be in the very superior range.  Then it is certainly possible that the test-taker may score 140 on one test, 150 on another test, and in the 130s or even 120s on another test (maybe an off day). In order to accurately assess such an individual, it is a good idea to have a tester who is experienced with testing gifted individuals, as they often require more time and attention: a tester who lacks this experience may mistake a deep or intricate question or response for a wrong answer, which could result in an accurate evaluation/score. 

P.S. Welcome to the forums, negatio.

[emjay]

That's serendipitous negatio, meet the guy I was suggesting you'd probably get on like a house on fire with; Kernel Sohcahtoa. Imo you both have a very similar writing style/manner.

Anyway, I think you've got me mixed up with Lucanus... he's the one who said he's doing exams and about to graduate, not me. I've never set foot inside a university. But thanks for the thought