Question about permanent death

[Losty]

There are so many different things to believe in. I’m sure there are atheists who believe in some sort of afterlife, but I’m not one of them

Eh you.  

What are you doing to me?  
Didn't you promise me that in the next life you will be my wife?  

You’re right I did. I’m just fooling all these atheists. I really have the same beliefs as you, whatever those are...lol

[Little Rik]

Eh you.  

What are you doing to me?  
Didn't you promise me that in the next life you will be my wife?  

You’re right I did. I’m just fooling all these atheists. I really have the same beliefs as you, whatever those are...lol

Ok., now I feel so much better.  

By the way Losty would the idea of an eternity in a state of total bliss would make you happy or scare you?  

[Bob Kelso]

Are there atheists here who believe that there is some sort of afterlife? I personally still believe that there is something in afterlife, even if I dislike the idea.

I’m not among their number, but I’ve run across a few in my time. More than anything it seems to be driven by other woo and fear of death.

I’m not personally scared of death itself, I didn’t seem to mind the last few millennia and probably won’t mind the next few. I do worry about dying too young on behalf of my kiddos though, the thought of them living without me to be there for them in their younger years is terrifying.

[robvalue]

I'm scared about what suffering I might endure leading up to my death, but I'm not scared about actually dying.

[Brian37]

Are there atheists here who believe that there is some sort of afterlife? I personally still believe that there is something in afterlife, even if I dislike the idea.

Why? How would life after you die be any different than it was before you were born?

I warn eve atheists not to fall for the si fi version of a fictional "forever".

There are multiple  steps to get from a mere wave function, to a living organism. Saying that we are made up of atoms does not mean a single atom all by itself can act as a fully functioning live in tact brain. Your consciousness is an emergent property, and a finite property, not a starting point, not a forever.

A car tire by itself cannot act as the entire car. Blow up that engine it will not function as the in tact version. You are merely your brain in motion, no motion, no fuel, you die, you no longer exist.

It is ok to have a sense of awe to know that atoms make up everything, and we are made up from the death of a prior star. But our consciousness is not an eternal thing.

[purplepurpose]

Are there atheists here who believe that there is some sort of afterlife? I personally still believe that there is something in afterlife, even if I dislike the idea.

Why? How would life after you die be any different than it was before you were born?

I warn eve atheists not to fall for the si fi version of a fictional "forever".

There are multiple  steps to get from a mere wave function, to a living organism. Saying that we are made up of atoms does not mean a single atom all by itself can act as a fully functioning live in tact brain. Your consciousness is an emergent property, and a finite property, not a starting point, not a forever.

A car tire by itself cannot act as the entire car. Blow up that engine it will not function as the in tact version. You are merely your brain in motion, no motion, no fuel, you die, you no longer exist.

It is ok to have a sense of awe to know that atoms make up everything, and we are made up from the death of a prior star. But our consciousness is not an eternal thing.

It does sounds retarded if you aren't interested in being Holy God's property or living eternally as some kind of God's pet.

[devilsadvoc8]

yeah it would be cool if my consciousness continued on after I died in some sci-fi quantum existence but that isn't going to happen. My body will be recycled in some manner (conversion to heat or perhaps as plant/worm food) and the cycle of life will continue without "me" while the components of the universe I borrowed for multiple decades will be re purposed.

[Brian37]

Why? How would life after you die be any different than it was before you were born?

I warn eve atheists not to fall for the si fi version of a fictional "forever".

There are multiple  steps to get from a mere wave function, to a living organism. Saying that we are made up of atoms does not mean a single atom all by itself can act as a fully functioning live in tact brain. Your consciousness is an emergent property, and a finite property, not a starting point, not a forever.

A car tire by itself cannot act as the entire car. Blow up that engine it will not function as the in tact version. You are merely your brain in motion, no motion, no fuel, you die, you no longer exist.

It is ok to have a sense of awe to know that atoms make up everything, and we are made up from the death of a prior star. But our consciousness is not an eternal thing.

It does sounds retarded if you aren't interested in being Holy God's property or living eternally as some kind of God's pet.

I am talking about the literal science behind why there is no afterlife. The morality of antiquity is horrific by itself, but a separate issue.

10,000 years ago when humans first started written language and cities, humans lived under local ruling families. Those rulers mistook their success as coming from a divine place, be it spirit world or a god or deity. Back then the mortality rate was far higher and your survival was far more dependent on towing the social norms and loyalty to that ruler. While it can be argued that some rulers were more tolerant than others it still remains that people lived under a ruling class that they really had no independent check on power outside a revolution. So unless you were part of that ruling class, warrior class, you had little to no say. 

There is a reason you see words like, "lord" and "kingdom" and "servant" and "subject" in the mythologies of antiquity. Because you were the property of that ruling family.

The God/s of the traditions of Abraham are authoritarian dictators and there is no polite way to put it, that is what an unmovable figure is, one with the absolute final say with no check on it's power and no way to remove it from power.

If a leader doesn't want to explain itself to me, if it doesn't need my permission to lead, if I cannot remove it from power, it is not a leader I want to live under. I am nobody's actor, nobody's toy, nobody's lab rat, nobody's property.

[unfogged]

I talked once with an atheist who believed that there was some sort of ethereal cloud of abilities and that you drew your talents from that cloud and that the goal was to improve on them and when you die release them back into this nebulous cloud for the next person. It wasn't an afterlife in that your consciousness did not survive death but your talents and abilities did. It was a very strange conversation. Atheism may be a common result of skepticism but that's apparently not the only way to get there.

[Whateverist]

I talked once with an atheist who believed that there was some sort of ethereal cloud of abilities and that you drew your talents from that cloud and that the goal was to improve on them and when you die release them back into this nebulous cloud for the next person.  It wasn't an afterlife in that your consciousness did not survive death but your talents and abilities did.  It was a very strange conversation.  Atheism may be a common result of skepticism but that's apparently not the only way to get there.

I'm interested in ideas about the deep unconscious but I don't think anything to do with that depends on tapping into some etherial out-of-body source.  Consciousness is something sustained by brains without any supernatural contribution from anywhere else, or at least that is my belief.