Evidence for a god. Do you have any ?

[LadyForCamus]

Yes, that is the definition of the word, “supernatural.”  That the word has a definition doesn’t necessary mean that the concept itself is coherent, nor that it can be coherently applied to the reality we exist in. The dictionary also has definitions for words such as, “ghost”, “soul”, “fairy” and “Santa”, but that doesn’t mean these concepts are (or could ever be) manifest in reality. 


That people involved in the event in question are credulous to the notion of a supernatural cause, is not in any way related to the actual cause of the event. And it does not affect the probability of that event being supernaturally caused versus naturally caused.  


So, again; rare medical phenomena happen.  How do you rationally determine that the cause can’t, and never will be explainable via science, versus a natural cause that science can and may be able to explain at some point in the future?  Because, people prayed first? I know you know what a ‘post hoc ergo propter hoc’ fallacy is.


Why not? 


Scientists have managed to explain many a rare, and seemingly miraculous natural phenomena using tools such as microscopes, Steve, lol.  You talk about subatomic particles as though they aren’t in play during these supposedly miraculous healings.

Do you notice that you start by claiming the idea incoherent and then write 4 more paragraphs coherently discussing the concept? You seem to understand it fine.  Also, the ideas of supernatural, ghost, soul, fairy and Santa are all coherent no matter if they are real or not.

No. I was granting the concept to you for the sake of your example about miracles so that I could investigate the method by which you distinguish a natural cause from a supposedly supernatural cause, what ever that actually is.  In response, you gave me a fallacy, plus some bizarre reasoning about how particles behaving strangely under a microscope wouldn’t be a miracle, but strangely-behaving particles not looked at through a microscope would be. (?)

I stand by my statements earlier; that the concept of a supernatural event or object has no coherent, meaningful applicability to reality, as the word is defined by what it is not, rather than what it is. And, that there is no reason to think that anything interacting with, and leaving behind evidence in this world, is not a part of it. If it’s a part within the whole of this world, and it is evident, then it would fall under the purview of scientific inquiry.

I’m still waiting for you to explain how you determine that a cause for an event can’t be explainable by science, and I’m still waiting for you to tell me what a supernatural thing is, using positive descriptors. As I said before; you are trying to create a new and entirely separate category of things using the knowledge gaps of a category of things that already exists.  Can you please describe in detail the mechanism behind a ‘something other than natural, but we don’t know what it actually is’ cause, generating detectable, physical effects within the natural world, yet itself remaining completely undetectable?

[Minimalist]

I'd call Jesus healing the sick a myth, given there's a complete lack of independent verification of the event.

I'd call a kid with a brain tumor being healed before surgery a yet unknown natural phenomenon, and the churchgoer prayers a coincidence.

What about all the bullshit "prayers" for people who don't get well after surgery?  That must be one of those coincidences, too.

Or, it it god saying "fuck off?"

[178Kristy]

Are you sure you have the right issue that it was? Because in the movie as well as in real life all the doctors they went to said there wasn't a cure for what the little girl had. Many some treatments can help but they said no cure and she was cured fully from hitting her head.

[Deesse23]

Learning more about the laws of nature isnt an option, right? Throwing our hands up in the air, dropping to our knees shouting "goddidit" is, right?
Also.....please continue to the next remark.

Bolding mine: Please call in again after you have demonstrated that something like this ever happened.

It might as well be "i dont know", and then pulling "miracle" right out of your ass. Your method fails.
Too bad not enough churches fulla people (being full of it) are praying for all those starving kids in Africa. If i ever encounter such a scenario like you did, i can only hope its no miracle and there is no god who is so capricious as you suggest.

Too bad, god just wanted to help by makig this guy find his car keys. Your "method" to determine miracles failed.......again.

Oh, this time its not "miracle" but "i dont know"? Interesting.

tl;dr: please look up "argument from ignorance", because thats all it is you are preaching here: "I dont know, therefore miracle/god/supernatural/pink unicorn".

You're very new here so you get a little slack from me. I am interested in discussions ONLY. You appear to be interested in ignorant, simplistic, abusive dialog of a 13-year-old where your goal is not to learn anything about my views but rather mock what little you understand to...what end?...make yourself feel smarter than you really are? I'll leave you off of block for now, so while I am don't think you have what it takes to have a real discussion, I might be wrong and you might change your mind as to your goals when you reply to something I say.

If you have anything of worth to say related to the topic, then say it but dont resort to ad hominems. Makes you look pathetic, particularly when i criticized the same of your fallacies with the same rebuttals as Lady. Claiming that i am too stupid to understand your arguments, after having factually revealed how you rely on fallacies (just like Lady did) and poor reasoning makes you look even more pathetic. Your condescension only is the topping on that cake of projection.

[KevinM1]

Are you sure you have the right issue that it was? Because in the movie as well as in real life all the doctors they went to said there wasn't a cure for what the little girl had. Many some treatments can help but they said no cure and she was cured fully from hitting her head.

I did my research and provided a link. You do yours.

[The Grand Nudger]

[KevinM1]

[Peebothuhlu]

But "Mysterious ways!" KevinM1! It's the "Mysterious ways!" all the time.

*Sigh*

So... SteveII and/or RoadRunner79 have drifted past the whole "Something from nothing." and 'Uncaused cause." thing, then?

Not at work.

[SteveII]

[LadyForCamus]