Evidence for a god. Do you have any ?

[Mister Agenda]

To be pedantic, science has certainly observed the difference between consciousness and unconsciousness.

Science can only observe behavior. By definition behavior of p-zombie is identical to conscious person.

Even if the p-zombie is knocked unconscious?

The problem with p-zombies is that the idea presumes that consciousness isn't a product of brain activity.

And you claim that consciousness is a product of brain activity without any proof.

given the fact that each of us experiences consciousness directly

Prove it scientifically

I believe that consciousness is a product of brain activity because that is the direction the evidence points. I'm funny like that. Proofs are for math and whiskey, science is about evidence and evaluating it.

If you don't believe your own direct experience, the basis of the definition of consciousness, science can't help you. That I experience consciousness and everyone else's behavior and reportage are similar is sufficient evidence; science is not about what can be proven, it's about what works. It's pretty clear that assuming you're the only conscious being doesn't work very well, it leads to problems.

Do you believe p-zombies are more probable than other humans possessing consciousness the same way you do? If you believe you are the only truly conscious being, why do you suppose the world is constructed in such a fashion...the rest of us only being here to fool you into thinking you're not super special?

[possibletarian]

[SteveII]

Off the top of my head: Plutarch is not attesting to the events he writes about. In his defense it was 400 years earlier.

So...that's actually 401 reasons.

But if you check the work, he refers to first-hand testimonies surrounding Alexander the Great's birth.

Exactly how the authors of the Gospels referred to others' testimonies of Jesus' birth.

LOL. So he refers to 400 year old documents we have never seen from people he never met. You got me!! Exactly the same as the NT.

[Dmitry1983]

[possibletarian]

Decoding mental states from brain activity in humans

Is this research based on direct observation of mental states or on reports by supposedly conscious persons?

Why not try some research yourself

[Amarok]

Sigh no it won't

[Dmitry1983]

P-zombies have same brain activity as conscious person

Then how can you tell the difference?

P-zombie can't experience qualia

[possibletarian]

[Mister Agenda]

[Amarok]