Evidence for a god. Do you have any ?

[Dmitry1983]

Scientifically default position is that we all are p-zombies.

How can we be scientifically by default be p-zombies when they only exist hypothetically ?  

Can you provide some reason to think your statement is true ?

To claim that consciousness exists it should be directly observed. Until then it doesn't exist and scientifically all human beings are p-zombies

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1 You don't have to emulate whole human brain but only one small part that is responcible for single qualia like feeling of pain.
2 You don't have to do it in real time. It doesn't matter if CPU is experiencing pain for 1 second or 40 minutes.

And the motive for spending tens (possibly hundreds) of millions of dollars just to hurt a supercomputer would be what?

Job creation. Scientists already spent 100 billion dollars on useless ISS

[Mister Agenda]

Scientists have never observed qualia

Every scientist has observed qualia by experiencing them directly.

Are you going to answer the question of your personal position on p-zombies? Do you think they actually exist? Do you believe everyone but you is one?

[Dmitry1983]

Scientists have never observed qualia

Every scientist has observed qualia by experiencing them directly.

That's subjective experience not scientfic experiment.

Are you going to answer the question of your personal position on p-zombies? Do you think they actually exist? Do you believe everyone but you is one?

Scientifcially we are all p-zombies

[possibletarian]

How can we be scientifically by default be p-zombies when they only exist hypothetically ?  

Can you provide some reason to think your statement is true ?

To claim that consciousness exists it should be directly observed. Until then it doesn't exist and scientifically all human beings are p-zombies

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And the motive for spending tens (possibly hundreds) of millions of dollars just to hurt a supercomputer would be what?

Job creation. Scientists already spent 100 billion dollars on useless ISS

1) consciousness has been observed, every time i chat with someone in fact, every time i feel pain or emotion you are mixing the fact we do not know what consciousness is with whether it exists or not. Consciousness has a very clear observable definition.

consciousness
ˈkɒnʃəsnɪs/
noun
noun: consciousness; plural noun: consciousnesses

1.
the state of being aware of and responsive to one's surroundings.
"she failed to regain consciousness and died two days later"
synonyms: awareness, wakefulness, alertness, responsiveness, sentience
"she failed to regain consciousness"
antonyms: unconsciousness
2.
a person's awareness or perception of something.
"her acute consciousness of Luke's presence"
synonyms: awareness of, knowledge of the existence of, alertness to, sensitivity to, realization of, cognizance of, mindfulness of, perception of, apprehension of, recognition of
"her acute consciousness of Luke's presence"



2) Why do you care what they spend on the space station, is it even real to you ?

[Dmitry1983]

To claim that consciousness exists it should be directly observed. Until then it doesn't exist and scientifically all human beings are p-zombies

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Job creation. Scientists already spent 100 billion dollars on useless ISS

 Consciousness has a very clear observable definition.

Qualia was never observed in a scientific experiment

[polymath257]

[SteveII]

[polymath257]

 Consciousness has a very clear observable definition.

Qualia was never observed in a scientific experiment

Neither is charge, evidently. In both cases, however, the most efficient scientific hypothesis is that both exist and are detected by our methods.

[possibletarian]

 Consciousness has a very clear observable definition.

Qualia was never observed in a scientific experiment

What do you think observed means? For instance do you believe in gravity ?

[Mister Agenda]

I disagree. Consciousness involves a real-time interaction with an environment. Furthermore, it is distributed over the brain and so modeling of one part of the brain is not sufficient.

Mice clearly feel pain. You can simulate their brian it is much smaller

Correction from my previous notation: It turns out that 40 minutes to simulate 1 second of brain activity was to simulate 1% of human brain activity. And supercomputers are very inefficient, they require millions of watts of power and cost over a million dollars a year just for the electricity. What you are proposing would be very difficult at this point in time, but had I one of the fastest supercomputers in existence at my disposal and tens of millions of dollars to burn doing that instead of something with a more immediate pay-off, I would be interested in trying it.

So we simulate a mouse brain and simulate hurting it, and get the same reaction as a real mouse. You say it didn't feel pain because it's a p-mouse and a p-mouse will always react just like a real mouse, so it doesn't really feel pain.

You're proposing a difference that doesn't make any difference. It's just as reasonable to propose that the wind is p-wind, not true wind, you just can't detect the difference. The sun isn't a real sun, it's a p-sun, it seems to be the same in every way to a real sun, but it's not.

If you can't tell any difference between something with or without 'p', 'p' is a functionally useless distinction.

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That is a flat out lie.

P-zombies have same brain activity as conscious person

Then there is no reason to think they are not conscious people.