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**leo-rcc** · January 15, 2009 at 4:26 am

(January 15, 2009 at 3:39 am)CoxRox Wrote: Well, we didn't get very far with the Mormon lads. They are so completely immersed in their beliefs and way of life that I might as well be talking another language. They don't try to convince you by any clever discussion. They have a simple approach: read a verse from the book of Mormon (I can't remember which one it is now) that tells you the things in it are true! Then pray to God (with a sincere heart) that He will reveal if these things are true.

Wow, I think I've heard that from other religions as well. Let me think which one it was again.... Oh yeah, ALL of them. Cool Shades

CoxRox · January 15, 2009 at 8:06 am

True enough, but in my experience, the JWs will have a good stab at reasoning with you. So too have many 'church leaders' I have got into discussions with. These 'Trueman Show' guys seem to lean on this 'promise' of revelation, hence they don't need too much going on upstairs (necessarily). Wink Shades

~~Edwardo Piet~~ · January 15, 2009 at 11:20 am

Do they Cherry-pick or believe the WHOLE book. That's what I'm wondering.

If the believe the whole thing - it may be ridiculous! - But I guess, at least they aren't cherry-picking. At least they actually do take it seriously if that's the case. And don't just choose the bits they "like".

I'm certainly not implying its a better position though! I think its either delusion or self-deception/dishonestly. The belief in God ITSELF being delusional in both cases. This is all simply in my honest (and current) opinion.

Peace,
Evf

P.S: at SAB (skeptic's annotated bible [website]) there's also a skeptics annoted book of Mormon. Could be interesting if its reliable enough.

**leo-rcc** · January 15, 2009 at 11:44 am

The book of Mormon is copyright free and in English, so there is no reason the book of Mormon on the SAB website is any different from the ones the Mormons use. They usually sell/give them with the New Testament and the book of Mormon in one bundle. The church of LDS has its own online version on http://scriptures.lds.org/bm/contents

Rob · January 18, 2009 at 11:12 pm

Does anyone know how accurate of a rendition of the book of mormon this cartoon is? If its mostly sold it'll save me having to read bloody tedious thing.

**leo-rcc** · (This post was last modified: January 19, 2009 at 5:01 am by leo-rcc.)

(January 18, 2009 at 11:12 pm)rjh Wrote: Does anyone know how accurate of a rendition of the book of mormon this cartoon is? If its mostly sold it'll save me having to read bloody tedious thing.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mormon_(Boo...n_prophet)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kolob

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mormon_cosmology

In short, yes, quite accurate. The animation is made by former Mormon members.

lukec · January 19, 2009 at 5:03 am

Former? As in, they finished the animation, quickly realized what they had been a part of and renounced their faith?

**leo-rcc** · January 19, 2009 at 5:08 am

No, as in they left the mormon church, and made a documentary about the mormon church, where this animation was a part of.

Rob · January 19, 2009 at 9:06 am

Oh excellent. Thank you Smile

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