The dawn of civilization

[The Grand Nudger]

Yeah, pretty much.  I think it's the grandeur of the idea of hunting a mammoth (absent an understanding of how it was actually done) that leads us to imagine things about those people and how they lived their lives.  On the one hand there's the scene of a guy with a spear facing down a monster...and on the other, chewing on some squirrel he killed with a deadfall.

We like to fantasize about the former even though the latter was more reliable (and with the end of the megafauna one of the only games in town).  Even the business of hunting those mammoths was more like a mobile slaughterhouse than stalking some aloof and dangerous beast.

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They didn't have "the right equipment" Max.  It took a dozen or so to kill a cat no bigger than a dog.  I can't stress enough that the archaeological record indicates that both parties were practicing a strategy of avoidance...not conflict.

Our later conflicts with the fauna...as we wiped out vast tracts of flora... color our assumptions..but, at the time, there was simply no point to either of us bothering with each other.

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So..for reference, the most common piece of equipment we find, in the period in question, is a handaxe.  A piece of stone about the size of your mouse.

You gonna take it to fuckin mufasa with that, Max..lol?

They didn't have sticks and stones?  They didn't have reeds and various plant life to build things like netting?  Even animal carcasses can be used to build fibrous materials to build things like traps.  You don't need Walmart and Dick's Sporting Goods.  You don't need anything beyond what nature has to offer.  You just need to turn on the light bulb in your head and make something work.  Less time with the "I can'ts" and more time with the "I cans."  But that's me.  You be who you are, and I guess as long as you're happy, then more power to ya.

A hand axe -is- a stone..........a piece of stone...about the size......of your mouse.

You gonna net a lion with your tree bark caster?  Honestly, you just keep getting more and more ridiculous.  If you want to kill a lion, go buy a big fuckin gun and do it from a helicopter.  That's what uncle Ogg would have done, given the choice. Uncle Ogg would have dropped to his knees and cried at the sight of Dicks. If you were footing the bill for the things he told you he needed, on those shelves, -you'd need- a long..long line of credit. Most everything there are just versions of the things he made but done much better and out of superior materials. Then, there's the shit he could have never dreamt of.

You have a man fantasy.

[T0 Th3 M4X]

Yeah, pretty much.  I think it's the grandeur of the idea of hunting a mammoth (absent an understanding of how it was actually done) that leads us to imagine things about those people and how they lived their lives.  On the one hand there's the scene of a guy with a spear facing down a monster...and on the other, chewing on some squirrel he killed with a deadfall.

We like to fantasize about the former even though the latter was more reliable (and with the end of the megafauna one of the only games in town).  Even the business of hunting those mammoths was more like a mobile slaughterhouse than stalking some aloof and dangerous beast.

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They didn't have sticks and stones?  They didn't have reeds and various plant life to build things like netting?  Even animal carcasses can be used to build fibrous materials to build things like traps.  You don't need Walmart and Dick's Sporting Goods.  You don't need anything beyond what nature has to offer.  You just need to turn on the light bulb in your head and make something work.  Less time with the "I can'ts" and more time with the "I cans."  But that's me.  You be who you are, and I guess as long as you're happy, then more power to ya.

A hand axe -is- a stone..........a piece of stone...about the size......of your mouse.

You gonna net a lion with your tree bark caster?  Honestly, you just keep getting more and more ridiculous.  If you want to kill a lion, go buy a big fuckin gun and do it from a helicopter.  That's what uncle Ogg would have done, given the choice. Uncle Ogg would have dropped to his knees and cried at the sight of Dicks.  If you were footing the bill for the thigs he told you he needed, on those shelves, -you'd need- a long..long line of credit.  

You have a man fantasy.

You're never hunted a mammoth, or an elephant, and I'm guessing you know squat about it.  Even a modern day bull elephant is limited with how much it will challenge a human.  More times than not, it will try to bluff you so that you will go away.  If you do exactly what it's doing back, which is make a bunch of noise at it, it will be the one to leave.  If someone was hunting it, it was more than likely trying to get away, and hit with spears as it bled to death.

Also, I don't need to "net a lion", but I could build a trap for one is probably about 30-45 minute max with no fancy tools needed.   Would just need a good spot to set it up and an animal carcass as bait.

It's not me being "ridiculous", it's you not understand that there are actually people who go out there and do great things.  Not even to impress anybody, but because that's who they are.  If you're not, then be someone else, but don't expect others to be afraid to embrace the hunt because you would rather sit in a hut wrapped in a warm blankie.

[The Grand Nudger]

Now we're into "if the lion politely gave me 45 minutes to prep a pit I could so totally kick it's ass!" territory.

Why don't you just stop? Yes, you're being ridiculous, and more ridiculous still for having no reason to be so. WTF are you even droning on about with this "embrace the hunt" shit..lol? You made a silly statement, about cavemen being dumbasses who fought sabre toothed cats....like you imagine you would if you were a much Chadlier person yourself, lol.

They weren't. Fact. End of story.

[Duty]

The dawn of civilization

I don't think it's happened yet has it?

[BrianSoddingBoru4]

I was leafing through an old family photo album just now and ran across this snapshot of Uncle Ogg.



We owe him a lot, I think.

Boru

[Anomalocaris]

I was leafing through an old family photo album just now and ran across this snapshot of Uncle Ogg.



We owe him a lot, I think.

Boru

Yes.  Without uncle Ogg the last smilodon would never have ruptured his esophagus with the chewed end of a broken femur.

[Gawdzilla Sama]

In our minds, stone age people were largely encounter hunters...but judging by the taxonomy of their midden heaps...they were more likely trappers who engaged in opportunistic encounters. 

This would be completely unsurprising due to the simplicity, efficacy, lower energy expenditure and far greater safety of setting simple snares vs hunting (much less hunting of apex predators).  Ogg was't stupid.

Paleolithic genius sees an animal tangled in brush and conceives a snare. Civilization on the march!

[T0 Th3 M4X]

Now we're into "if the lion politely gave me 45 minutes to prep a pit I could so totally kick it's ass!" territory.

Why don't you just stop?  Yes, you're being ridiculous, and more ridiculous still for having no reason to be so.  WTF are you even droning on about with this "embrace the hunt" shit..lol?  You made a silly statement, about cavemen being dumbasses who fought sabre toothed cats....like you imagine you would if you were a much Chadlier person yourself, lol.

They weren't.  Fact.  End of story.

You don't have to let the lion give you anything.  If you do, you're missing the point.  That's the difference between the "hunter" and the "hunted."  The "hunted" thinks like you.

Think like a "hunter" and you'll realize that the lion(s) have to sleep, you'll know how to cover your scent, you'll know how to draw it to the trap when you are ready.  You assume too much of the lion.  It's not out looking for prey all day.  It's hunts when it's optimal so it has a distinct advantage.  You do the same.  You hunt it so that you have a distinct advantage instead.

End of Story

[Gawdzilla Sama]

And the lion would sleep by its kill. Make things exciting, that.

[The Grand Nudger]

Now we're into "if the lion politely gave me 45 minutes to prep a pit I could so totally kick it's ass!" territory.

Why don't you just stop?  Yes, you're being ridiculous, and more ridiculous still for having no reason to be so.  WTF are you even droning on about with this "embrace the hunt" shit..lol?  You made a silly statement, about cavemen being dumbasses who fought sabre toothed cats....like you imagine you would if you were a much Chadlier person yourself, lol.

They weren't.  Fact.  End of story.

You don't have to let the lion give you anything.  If you do, you're missing the point.  That's the difference between the "hunter" and the "hunted."  The "hunted" thinks like you.

Think like a "hunter" and you'll realize that the lion(s) have to sleep, you'll know how to cover your scent, you'll know how to draw it to the trap when you are ready.  You assume too much of the lion.  It's not out looking for prey all day.  It's hunts when it's optimal so it has a distinct advantage.  You do the same.  You hunt it so that you have a distinct advantage instead.

End of Story

You're a complete and utter moron, lol........you've gone from imagining that Real Men™...who were cavemen, were going mano a mano with sabretooths to some shit about sneaking up on a kitty cat in it's sleep.

Also something that we have no evidence for.