The dawn of civilization

[T0 Th3 M4X]

Ahhh, religion can control people, just like injecting atheism can.  We've seen the extremes of both.

No, not "just like". I doubt atheists inject "special" powers from the great beyond.

Who said "special."  We've seen atheism injected into society multiple times and what happened?  People being terrorized and mass killings.  Now we get atheists running around harassing people with their nonsense (not all).  If you don't want to believe (or disbelieve) something, then no reason to go around bothering people who don't agree with you.  I don't have issues with atheists as individuals, but when you get doses of it collectively in society, it might as well be called a plague.  Now if someone wants to be an atheist in their home, or be an atheist in a church group or whatever they're coming up with now, then great. Enjoy.  Have no problem with them there.

[Fake Messiah]

Who said "special."  We've seen atheism injected into society multiple times and what happened?  People being terrorized and mass killings. 

Actually no. In secular countries like in Scandinavia an Japan where people are mostly atheist it's much better and peaceful life, people live longer etc.

[T0 Th3 M4X]

Who said "special."  We've seen atheism injected into society multiple times and what happened?  People being terrorized and mass killings. 

Actually no. In secular countries like in Scandinavia an Japan where people are mostly atheist it's much better and peaceful life, people live longer etc.

Because they follow MYOB.  In societies where it's forced as doctrine or law, it becomes dangerous.  But even if you look at Scandinavia it's not optimal due to reliance on socialism.  I have buddies over in Denmark and have even been there to visit them.  The people are generally very friendly and hospitable, but there is a lack of opportunity there.  Too much trying to balance things out and make everything fair.  It's not an optimal way to live and I wish more for my friends.

[Fake Messiah]

And where was atheism forced?

[T0 Th3 M4X]

And where was atheism forced?

Historically?  The Soviet Union, Cambodia, Cuba, China, Albania, Vietnam, N. Korea, etc...

[brewer]

No, not "just like". I doubt atheists inject "special" powers from the great beyond.

Who said "special."  We've seen atheism injected into society multiple times and what happened?  People being terrorized and mass killings.  Now we get atheists running around harassing people with their nonsense (not all).  If you don't want to believe (or disbelieve) something, then no reason to go around bothering people who don't agree with you.  I don't have issues with atheists as individuals, but when you get doses of it collectively in society, it might as well be called a plague.  Now if someone wants to be an atheist in their home, or be an atheist in a church group or whatever they're coming up with now, then great. Enjoy.  Have no problem with them there.

You're missing the point numb nuts. And as far as your "atheist hoards" goes, religions have been doing that for many centuries. The rise in atheism is relatively recent as far as history goes. You just don't like it now because atheists are becoming a larger collective voice and you feel you're religious freedoms are being repressed (a false belief).

As you alluded to, keep it in your own damn church.

[Peebothuhlu]

And where was atheism forced?

Historically?  The Soviet Union, Cambodia, Cuba, China, Albania, Vietnam, N. Korea, etc...

   

 Uhm... no...

 Not at work.

[Fake Messiah]

And where was atheism forced?

Historically?  The Soviet Union, Cambodia, Cuba, China, Albania, Vietnam, N. Korea, etc...

Wrong, again. When rulers force something on people they do it to control them and therefore they won't force atheism because atheism is the truth and you can't control people with truth.

Countries you named its rulers forced cult on personality on them. These people really worshiped rulers as gods with supernatural powers. For instance in USSR during Stalin lots of Russians were literally afraid to have thoughts against him because they thought he could read their minds. And Stalin used elements from Christianity to make himself godlike since he also trained as a priest.


Like China and Mao Zedong

few years ago China’s president had to say in public that people should stop worshiping Mao as a god. These are his own words: "Revolutionary leaders are not gods, but human beings. [We] cannot worship them like gods or refuse to allow people to point out and correct their errors just because they are great."
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldne...ident.html

[Angrboda]

Kind of moot anyway, as what rulers forced on people was the abandonment of religion as a public act. Like prayer in school, it's hard to ban the private act. But is the banning of religious acts atheism? I think not. These states may have encouraged atheism among the populace, indeed very strongly via re-education camps and indoctrination, but it is notoriously difficult to force anyone to not believe something that they do believe, a fact which has bedeviled competitive zero-sum religions like Christianity for a long time. Ultimately, when you have competitive beliefs, it comes down to a question of the carrot or the stick. I'm not a historian so I can't evaluate the relative uses of both in the named countries and historically in religions generally. What I do know is that the religious, in line with the obligations of their zero-sum game, are attempting to force everybody to believe as they do in so far as they are able. Your ultimate point seems to be that the injection of atheism into society has resulted in mass killings. I might point out that the same can be said about Christianity and Islam, but it's not the point I would focus on. As I raised with tack, the question is not whether atheism is associated with states that have engaged in mass killings, but whether or not atheism is what motivated them to engage in mass killings, and the generally considered answer to that question is no. That's not the same answer we get when we apply the question to religions.

[T0 Th3 M4X]

Historically?  The Soviet Union, Cambodia, Cuba, China, Albania, Vietnam, N. Korea, etc...

Wrong, again. When rulers force something on people they do it to control them and therefore they won't force atheism because atheism is the truth and you can't control people with truth.

Countries you named its rulers forced cult on personality on them. These people really worshiped rulers as gods with supernatural powers. For instance in USSR during Stalin lots of Russians were literally afraid to have thoughts against him because they thought he could read their minds. And Stalin used elements from Christianity to make himself godlike since he also trained as a priest.


Like China and Mao Zedong

few years ago China’s president had to say in public that people should stop worshiping Mao as a god. These are his own words: "Revolutionary leaders are not gods, but human beings. [We] cannot worship them like gods or refuse to allow people to point out and correct their errors just because they are great."
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldne...ident.html

You're delusional.  Atheism is an opinion. That's it. Nothing more than what the atheist enthusiasts do with their opinion. Go be an atheist in your home, go have churches like the theists do, or whatever.  But we don't need your nonsense forced on people anymore than anybody else's nonsense.  Be a friendly atheist, be an atheist who makes moral decisions, be an atheists who helps people, but don't be some nutjob atheist raging at the rest of the world who thinks differently or try to force anybody to join your cause against their will.  That's what happens when it gets injected into society.