Just introducing myself. I suspect like many atheist/agnostics, I spent years in religion, fundy Baptist churches for me, taught Sunday School and even spent a few years in bible college back in the day. My doubts actually started when I studied to defend my positions of faith and opened myself up to debate. I was often left with ..the bibles says it, good enuf for me, regardless of all counter evidence. My progression took many years of actually trying to sustain my faith. For me, it was like a house of cards where I kept having to pull a card out and hoped the house would stand, but they fell. I rebuilt many card houses. Who wouldn't love God to exist and to actually know the "plan", but I cannot find it in any religion. I'm fine with just saying "I don't know".
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 (January 24, 2019 at 11:30 pm)Armi Wrote: Just introducing myself. I suspect like many atheist/agnostics, I spent years in religion, fundy Baptist churches for me, taught Sunday School and even spent a few years in bible college back in the day. My doubts actually started when I studied to defend my positions of faith and opened myself up to debate. I was often left with ..the bibles says it, good enuf for me, regardless of all counter evidence. My progression took many years of actually trying to sustain my faith. For me, it was like a house of cards where I kept having to pull a card out and hoped the house would stand, but they fell. I rebuilt many card houses. Who wouldn't love God to exist and to actually know the "plan", but I cannot find it in any religion. I'm fine with just saying "I don't know". Welcome, and be sure to barbecue kittens, record the NFL without their permission and rip the tags off of your mattress. But as far as the question of "who wouldn't love"..... Context matters. I would have loved for example, Xena Warrior Princess, or Wonder Woman being my friend growing up in school to protect me from bullies. Problem is, they are both fictional characters. But, when it comes to God claims, it isn't a matter of friendship alone, the hitch with the Abrahamic god/s is blind loyalty. They will treat you well, until you disagree with them, even if your objections are not of a overthrow intent. The god of Abraham is more like a mafia boss, dictator. He's fine with you as long as you do his bidding and promote his organization, and you get rewarded for doing such, but as soon as you think for yourself, you are toast. But even outside the 3 religions of Abraham, even with polytheism and Buddhism, I see them pretty much the same way, claims made in antiquity prior to humans having our modern technology/science. The truth is most humans regardless of geography get sold the claims of their parents in youth long before they can formulate adult critical thinking skills. Don't get me wrong. I think most humans are good, BUT simply see religion and spirit and god and super natural claims as merely reflections of our own human qualities in claims of the super natural. Welcome. 
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