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[NOTSERIOUS] Discussing religion with beavers.
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Watermelons are fish, too.
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(February 8, 2019 at 3:17 pm)The Valkyrie Wrote: Watermelons are fish, too.


Sadly, the watermelon contains more fish dna than this monstrosity!

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(February 8, 2019 at 11:45 am)Yonadav Wrote: Yeah, it took about 30 seconds of research to find that you guys are misrepresenting this. It looks like the Catholic church did not say that beaver are fish.

According to Dolly Jørgensen, an environmental historian in Sweden, the medieval theological debate about forbidden foods during Lent didn't distinguish between mammals and fish, but rather, creatures of the land and sea. So, while meat from chicken, cows and sheep was considered off limits, "other animals that spent their time in the water qualified as aquatic and could be eaten at Lent,"

There are far more juicy things that you can make fun of. For example, there is a Talmudic discussion about why the cheese made by gentiles without Jewish supervision is not kosher. One of the Sages says that it is because gentiles are not careful with storing their cheese, and snakes bite it. This is one of several reasons given by different Sages, but one Sage says that the Sage who says that snake bites are the reason is obviously correct. This is because there are complex rules by which it is determined which Sage is deferred to, and the rules say the snake bite Sage is the one who is deferred to within this context. So you can argue that Jews don't eat cheese that isn't kosher because snakes bite it. (But that isn't really the reason that Jews don't eat cheese that isn't kosher).

It was meat that was forbidden but fish was not.

https://blogs.scientificamerican.com/tho...were-fish/]


Quote:So in the 17th century, the Bishop of Quebec approached his superiors in the Church and asked whether his flock would be permitted to eat beaver meat on Fridays during Lent, despite the fact that meat-eating was forbidden. Since the semi-aquatic rodent was a skilled swimmer, the Church declared that the beaver was a fish. Being a fish, beaver barbeques were permitted throughout Lent. Problem solved!

https://thefisheriesblog.com/2017/03/01/...ring-lent/

Quote:According to Corinthians, “All flesh is not the same flesh: but there is one kind of flesh of men, another flesh of beasts, another of fishes, and another of birds.”  Therefore, fish flesh is considered separate from other flesh, and therefore is not on the banned list for Lent (and Fridays for Catholics).  Additionally, Christians rely on the difference in Fleishig and , as described from Judaism, that distinguishes fish flesh as separate from other kinds of flesh.

Beavers were considered fish and not just a swimming creatures,  so they could have red meat.



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When your religion is completely made up there's no limit to what you can fabricate.
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(February 9, 2019 at 6:30 am)downbeatplumb Wrote:
(February 8, 2019 at 11:45 am)Yonadav Wrote: Yeah, it took about 30 seconds of research to find that you guys are misrepresenting this. It looks like the Catholic church did not say that beaver are fish.

According to Dolly Jørgensen, an environmental historian in Sweden, the medieval theological debate about forbidden foods during Lent didn't distinguish between mammals and fish, but rather, creatures of the land and sea. So, while meat from chicken, cows and sheep was considered off limits, "other animals that spent their time in the water qualified as aquatic and could be eaten at Lent,"

There are far more juicy things that you can make fun of. For example, there is a Talmudic discussion about why the cheese made by gentiles without Jewish supervision is not kosher. One of the Sages says that it is because gentiles are not careful with storing their cheese, and snakes bite it. This is one of several reasons given by different Sages, but one Sage says that the Sage who says that snake bites are the reason is obviously correct. This is because there are complex rules by which it is determined which Sage is deferred to, and the rules say the snake bite Sage is the one who is deferred to within this context. So you can argue that Jews don't eat cheese that isn't kosher because snakes bite it. (But that isn't really the reason that Jews don't eat cheese that isn't kosher).

It was meat that was forbidden but fish was not.

https://blogs.scientificamerican.com/tho...were-fish/]


Quote:So in the 17th century, the Bishop of Quebec approached his superiors in the Church and asked whether his flock would be permitted to eat beaver meat on Fridays during Lent, despite the fact that meat-eating was forbidden. Since the semi-aquatic rodent was a skilled swimmer, the Church declared that the beaver was a fish. Being a fish, beaver barbeques were permitted throughout Lent. Problem solved!

https://thefisheriesblog.com/2017/03/01/...ring-lent/

Quote:According to Corinthians, “All flesh is not the same flesh: but there is one kind of flesh of men, another flesh of beasts, another of fishes, and another of birds.”  Therefore, fish flesh is considered separate from other flesh, and therefore is not on the banned list for Lent (and Fridays for Catholics).  Additionally, Christians rely on the difference in Fleishig and , as described from Judaism, that distinguishes fish flesh as separate from other kinds of flesh.

Beavers were considered fish and not just a swimming creatures,  so they could have red meat.
According to the source that I quoted earlier:

<According to Dolly Jørgensen, an environmental historian in Sweden, the medieval theological debate about forbidden foods during Lent didn't distinguish between mammals and fish, but rather, creatures of the land and sea. So, while meat from chicken, cows and sheep was considered off limits, "other animals that spent their time in the water qualified as aquatic and could be eaten at Lent," >
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(February 9, 2019 at 8:19 am)Yonadav Wrote:
(February 9, 2019 at 6:30 am)downbeatplumb Wrote: It was meat that was forbidden but fish was not.

https://blogs.scientificamerican.com/tho...were-fish/]



https://thefisheriesblog.com/2017/03/01/...ring-lent/


Beavers were considered fish and not just a swimming creatures,  so they could have red meat.
According to the source that I quoted earlier:

<According to Dolly Jørgensen, an environmental historian in Sweden, the medieval theological debate about forbidden foods during Lent didn't distinguish between mammals and fish, but rather, creatures of the land and sea. So, while meat from chicken, cows and sheep was considered off limits, "other animals that spent their time in the water qualified as aquatic and could be eaten at Lent," >

Read Corinthians 15:39 it clearly says fish and animal flesh is different.

https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?se...ersion=ESV

It does not say anything about land and sea animals. 
Or are you saying that all sea animals were fish? which would agree with the thrust that you are arguing against.



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Are we actually arguing about how much bullshit religions pump out?
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(February 9, 2019 at 8:56 am)Gawdzilla Sama Wrote: Are we actually arguing about how much bullshit religions pump out?

It is a source that never stops giving.



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