Do ( D )s sell more guns than ( R )s?

[Yonadav]

A nice long comment but it doesn't change my point even if guns are a smaller death toll t they should still be dealt with or even take measures across the board at the same time .

Yeah, I sort of figured that you would say something like that. Sure, it makes sense that we wouldn't just work on one thing and completely ignore the others. But that's exactly what most people who are fixated on the gun issue want to do. I keep getting the sense that it is more of a popular issue than actual caring. It's an easy issue to climb on top of Mount Moral with and take a selfie, every time we hear about a tragedy involving guns. It's harder to take that selfie with the other big people killing issues, because car accidents and drug overdoses are boring.

[Gawdzilla Sama]

A nice long comment but it doesn't change my point even if guns are a smaller death toll t they should still be dealt with or even take measures across the board at the same time .

Yeah, I sort of figured that you would say something like that. Sure, it makes sense that we wouldn't just work on one thing and completely ignore the others. But that's exactly what most people who are fixated on the gun issue want to do. I keep getting the sense that it is more of a popular issue than actual caring. It's an easy issue to climb on top of Mount Moral with and take a selfie, every time we hear about a tragedy involving guns. It's harder to take that selfie with the other big people killing issues, because car accidents and drug overdoses are boring.

The "either/or" arguments are just another smoke screen.

[Yonadav]

Yeah, I sort of figured that you would say something like that. Sure, it makes sense that we wouldn't just work on one thing and completely ignore the others. But that's exactly what most people who are fixated on the gun issue want to do. I keep getting the sense that it is more of a popular issue than actual caring. It's an easy issue to climb on top of Mount Moral with and take a selfie, every time we hear about a tragedy involving guns. It's harder to take that selfie with the other big people killing issues, because car accidents and drug overdoses are boring.

The "either/or" arguments are just another smoke screen.

Oh yeah, dude. I'm putting up such a smokescreen.

[Gawdzilla Sama]

The "either/or" arguments are just another smoke screen.

Oh yeah, dude. I'm putting up such a smokescreen.

Oddly enough, you're not the person I was referring to. I was actually agreeing with you.

[Yonadav]

Oh yeah, dude. I'm putting up such a smokescreen.

Oddly enough, you're not the person I was referring to. I was actually agreeing with you.

OK. Sorry I misunderstood you.

[Gawdzilla Sama]

That's okay, but I have shoot you now. I hope you understand.

[GODZILLA]

Doesn't surprise me. When Dems are in office the NRA uses it as a sales tactic and it sure works. But for me, not being a D or an R I just buy when they are on sale or if i want a new one. I own 5 guns. 2 are M9s. One is hidden in my car and the other sits in my closet. Then I also have an AR10. The other 2 are a flamethrower and an M1 Garand.

[Brian37]

Doesn't surprise me. When Dems are in office the NRA uses it as a sales tactic and it sure works. But for me, not being a D or an R I just buy when they are on sale or if i want a new one. I own 5 guns. 2 are M9s. One is hidden in my car and the other sits in my closet. Then I also have an AR10. The other 2 are a flamethrower and an M1 Garand.

This, this right here is what is wrong with America. This has nothing to do with rights, so please do not respond with that.

There is a huge difference between a want and a need. You want what you have, sure, but that is not the same as being pragmatic. Just like people want a sports car that can do 180mph. Legal and pragmatic or moral, still are  different things. Just because you can, does not always mean you should.

5 guns, even 1 gun, still increase you chances of getting injured or injuring someone under your roof. That is far more likely than successfully defending yourself from a complete stranger. 

Now again, this isn't about you personally. In a perfect world I wouldn't care. But there are tons of people who don't do the right thing outside of you personally. 

I simply hate it when people say, "Just keep them out of the wrong hands", then scream when I agree we should.

Domestic abusers are the wrong hands.

Criminals are the wrong hands.

Mentally ill are the wrong hands.

Workplace violence, are the wrong hands.

Disturbed teens are the wrong hands.

Racially motivated are the wrong hands.

Religiously motivated are the wrong hands.

Letting your kid injure themselves are the wrong hands.

There has to be better vetting at the time of sale to prevent things like those above.

We vet our police and Military before we put them in a job that requires a firearm. Civilians are not held to the same standards. 

^^^^^^ None of what I just said is a 100% ban anymore than saying you have to take a drivers test is a ban on cars.

My dad should have had his firearms taken away after shooting his with me in the room. Guns are not toys. And any sane instructor would always tell you to treat them like they are loaded and can kill you at any time. If you think like that, great. But again, you are not the only one who owns firearms and not enough people who buy them think like that. 

Responsible firearm owners are not the issue. The issue is America's long term unhealthy obsession that allows too many people to have them that should not have them. 

The firearm industry uses lobbiests like big tobacco started its "smokers rights" scam to avoid scrutiny to its marketing. The industry is only concerned about profits, not public safety. They are no friend to even responsible firearm owners.

[Gawdzilla Sama]

If a car with a gun in it gets stolen the thieves get a two-fer.

[Brian37]

If a car with a gun in it gets stolen the thieves get a two-fer.

Yea I agree, you can blame the thief all you want, but it still remains better logic would say locking it up inside your house and never leaving it alone in transport would make it less likely to get stolen. 

The same can be said with having kids in the house. People who leave them out because they want quick access are not being responsible.