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Islamophobia and a message.
#11
RE: Islamophobia and a message.
(March 23, 2019 at 12:18 pm)wyzas Wrote: I'm not islamophobic until I run into a radical. The same as with any other religion.

I think you need to admit Islam has their far share of radicals who take violent radical actions.

I agree. 

But this is something EVERY religion needs to face and I keep addressing time after time.

There is no such thing as a "Religion of peace", there are only individuals who can potentially be cruel or compassionate. Times change and history changes, but what has never changed is our observations of humans in that we have always displayed both cruelty and compassion. Labels have no magic power to make an individual only do good, or only do bad. 

Islam certainly did not invent violence, but as with all religions, our behaviors are not in labels, holy books, or holy people, but in our genes.
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#12
RE: Islamophobia and a message.
(March 23, 2019 at 12:18 pm)wyzas Wrote: I'm not islamophobic until I run into a radical. The same as with any other religion.

I think you need to admit Islam has their far share of radicals who take violent radical actions.

The governing Sharia authorities embody that violence in multi-faceted dimensions in the "centre of the Islamic world" country, Saudi Arabia. But nonono, they're not representative of Islam, right AtlasS33?
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#13
RE: Islamophobia and a message.
(March 23, 2019 at 3:48 pm)Editz Wrote:
(March 23, 2019 at 12:18 pm)wyzas Wrote: I'm not islamophobic until I run into a radical. The same as with any other religion.

I think you need to admit Islam has their far share of radicals who take violent radical actions.

The governing Sharia authorities embody that violence in multi-faceted dimensions in the "centre of the Islamic world" country, Saudi Arabia. But nonono, they're not representative of Islam, right AtlasS33?

 Probably about as much as the Vatican represents all Catholics, especially in their response to the the Child sex scandal.

Or would you prefer '"as much as the KKK represents all Christians"?

The Saudis are Wahhabi Muslims, the most conservative and aggressive sect in Islam. Islam has about six main sects, with divisions within  each sect. it is not an homogeneous religion.  There is some disagreement of exactly how many,, but as fa as I can tell, there are about 73 sub-sects sects.

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Wahhabism (Arabic: الوهابية‎, [i]al-Wahhābiya(h)[/i]) is an Islamic doctrine and religious movement founded by Muhammad ibn Abd al-Wahhab.[a] It has been variously described as "ultraconservative",[1] "austere",[2] "fundamentalist",[3] or "puritan(ical)";[4][5] as an Islamic "reform movement" to restore "pure monotheistic worship" (tawhid) by devotees;[6] and as a "deviant sectarian movement",[6] "vile sect"[7] and a distortion of Islam by its opponents.[2][8] The term Wahhabi(ism) is often used polemically and adherents commonly reject its use, preferring to be called Salafi or muwahhid.[9][10][11] claiming to emphasize the principle of tawhid[12] (the "uniqueness" and "unity" of God),[13] for exclusivity on monotheism, dismissing other Muslims as practising shirk, (idolatry).[14] It follows the theology of Ibn Taymiyyah and the Hanbali school of jurisprudence, although Hanbali leaders renounced Abd al-Wahhab's views.[5]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wahhabism


 This article summarizes the different branches and schools in Islam. The best known split, into Sunni Islam, Shia Islam, and Kharijites, was mainly political at first but eventually acquired theological and juridical dimensions. There are three traditional types of schools in Islam: schools of jurisprudence, Sufi orders and schools of theology. The article also summarizes major denominations and movements that have arisen in the modern era. 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamic_sc...d_branches
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#14
RE: Islamophobia and a message.
Quote: The governing Sharia authorities embody that violence in multi-faceted dimensions in the "centre of the Islamic world" country, Saudi Arabia. But nonono, they're not representative of Islam, right AtlasS33?
They most definitely do not
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#15
RE: Islamophobia and a message.
The self-aggrandizing Muslim that has a persecution complex use the same quote to unjustly treat those others (here called non-Muslims) that are appalled by strapping babies with bombs.
"There ought to be a term that would designate those who actually follow the teachings of Jesus, since the word 'Christian' has been largely divorced from those teachings, and so polluted by fundamentalists that it has come to connote their polar opposite: intolerance, vindictive hatred, and bigotry." -- Philip Stater, Huffington Post

always working on cleaning my windows- me regarding Johari
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#16
RE: Islamophobia and a message.
Oh boy... Popcorn
Better there than here where my stuff is
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#17
RE: Islamophobia and a message.
(March 22, 2019 at 8:17 am)Brian37 Wrote:
(March 22, 2019 at 8:10 am)AtlasS33 Wrote: Islamophobia is a disease that infects some humans; turning them into xenophobic killers without shame.
The infected host becomes delusional and also blind: they get stripped out of this century to live in their imagined version of the 15 century.

The islamophobic brain forgets all the crimes and also facts of the world; that the Crusades are a non-Muslim disaster; that the invasion of America is a non-Muslim disaster; that WW1 & WW2 are non-Muslim disasters, that Vlad the Impaler is a non-Muslim disaster, that the Mongol invasions are a non-Muslim disaster, that cancer is a non-Muslim disaster, that AK-47s are a Russian disaster, that the atomic bomb is a non-Muslim disaster, that the nuclear attacks on Japan are a non-Muslim disaster...etc.

The Islamophobic brain doesn't weigh with a proper scale; but they weigh with a very confused scale that is purposely imbalanced; intentionally made inaccurate to produce the right dosage of populism and mob-mentality. It is a scale worthy of a medieval Pope immobilizing a campaign to invade Jerusalem.

I hope this post stands as a message to Islamophobic people and xenophobes. My God says in the Quran:



No matter what you do, you will not make me treat a non-Muslim unjustly. No matter what you do, my religion will stay the same and my Quran will stay the same.

Actions like the massacre of NZ made me respect NZ even more, and its president more and more. Islamophobia will fail just like it failed during the Crusades, on the long run I see that Islamophobic parties are getting defeated, from medieval xenophobic knights modern terrorists.

Thank you, NZ.
Remember verse 8 from Sura 60.

Look man, I will always value the concept of protecting non violent individuals. I do hate religious tribalism though. But it is not "Islamophobia" to say the Koran has been used by humans to justify violence to others. That is not saying Muslims invented or own a patent on religious justified violence, they do not. Every religion worldwide has individuals, or sub sects that interpret their holy writings to justify harm to others. 

Your Koran may stay the same, but considering the billions who read it, each interpretation will vary. Just like the bible.

that's where ignorance will always give muslims a pass. You think it is a matter of interpretation? no there are three paths one can follow in islam aand still be found righteous with allah.

1 one can live as a missionary looking to teach and convert heathens to islam

2 One can live covertly even lie while moving in and literally displacing an indigiousous people by out breeding the locals

3 Jihad. take up arms against the infedels.

make no mistake sport. if one if a professing muslim (sunni which like 97% of the muslim world is including isis) he is one of these three. 

Did you ever wonder why obama and clinton never wanted to use the term muslim extremists? because again it is not about extreme interpretation of the quran.. Rather it is simply one of the three calling of the brotherhood! 

Meaning you can not call a jihadist an extremist any more than you can call a missionary or a well to do doctor moving into the good part of town an extremist because each of them has been assigned a task.. A task that can change. this means this doctor if called upon by allah to shift from family man to jihadist, then he mst comply.. This among other reason was why ISIS was so feared in the beginning. they where executing fence sitting muslims in the region. meaning those who ISIS called to jihad like scholars and or just lowly pesents if they did not go they where executed as infidels.
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#18
RE: Islamophobia and a message.
You're going to get the same response you give us whenever christer nutballs are pointed out.

They're...... doing it wrong™.
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#19
RE: Islamophobia and a message.
but they aren't is the problem. there are different ways to worship allah two ways of relative peace and the third all out war, all are equally legit if you belong to the sunni sect, which is why no one (unless lying and they are allowed to lie to infidels) will enounce or lable jihadists as extreme or radical. they just view the jihadist as having been called to war/greater reward.
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#20
RE: Islamophobia and a message.
Oh, is that the problem?  Gee, you don't say, lol.
I am the Infantry. I am my country’s strength in war, her deterrent in peace. I am the heart of the fight… wherever, whenever. I carry America’s faith and honor against her enemies. I am the Queen of Battle. I am what my country expects me to be, the best trained Soldier in the world. In the race for victory, I am swift, determined, and courageous, armed with a fierce will to win. Never will I fail my country’s trust. Always I fight on…through the foe, to the objective, to triumph overall. If necessary, I will fight to my death. By my steadfast courage, I have won more than 200 years of freedom. I yield not to weakness, to hunger, to cowardice, to fatigue, to superior odds, For I am mentally tough, physically strong, and morally straight. I forsake not, my country, my mission, my comrades, my sacred duty. I am relentless. I am always there, now and forever. I AM THE INFANTRY! FOLLOW ME!
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