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RE: First ever black hole image released
April 13, 2019 at 6:31 am
(April 11, 2019 at 8:36 pm)Anomalocaris Wrote: (April 11, 2019 at 5:41 pm)AtlasS33 Wrote: How does an atheist not put the possibility of an even bigger entity with intelligence and far more superior resources being there?
Because atheists believe the same physics that has proven its powers by predicting black holes?
That same physics says an even bigger entity than this could possibly ever only have 3 attributes, namely mass, angular momentum and charge that can effect the universe, and none of helps with making your fantasy any less ridiculous?
Physics are not your property. Even Newton was a theist but that's a different story.
That same physics says that the universe is expanding, that same physics only found out about 4% of the universe -leaving 96% uncovered-.
Are we speaking about the same physics here?
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RE: First ever black hole image released
April 13, 2019 at 6:43 am
(April 13, 2019 at 6:31 am)AtlasS33 Wrote: Physics are not your property. Even Newton was a theist but that's a different story. Newton also was an alchemist, yet another story.
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RE: First ever black hole image released
April 13, 2019 at 7:29 am
(April 13, 2019 at 6:31 am)AtlasS33 Wrote: That same physics says that the universe is expanding, that same physics only found out about 4% of the universe -leaving 96% uncovered-.
Are we speaking about the same physics here? How would you know?
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RE: First ever black hole image released
April 13, 2019 at 8:29 am
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(April 13, 2019 at 6:43 am)Deesse23 Wrote: (April 13, 2019 at 6:31 am)AtlasS33 Wrote: Physics are not your property. Even Newton was a theist but that's a different story. Newton also was an alchemist, yet another story.
Alchemy in its modern form was introduced to the world by a Muslim theist:
Quote:The word alchemy itself was derived from the Arabic word al-kīmiyā' (الكيمياء). The early Islamic world was a melting pot for alchemy. Platonic and Aristotelian thought, which had already been somewhat appropriated into hermetical science, continued to be assimilated during the late 7th and early 8th centuries through Syriac translations and scholarship. In the late 8th century, Jābir ibn Hayyān (Latinized as "Geber" or "Geberus") introduced a new approach to alchemy, based on scientific methodology and controlled experimentation in the laboratory, in contrast to the ancient Greek and Egyptian alchemists whose works were often allegorical and unintelligible, with very little concern for laboratory work
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alchemy#Islamic_world
It's ironic that the English word "Alchemy" is derived from the language of theist Muslims who believed and recited the Quran daily; الكيمياء that is.
Still this is about science not knowing but 4% of the universe; while 96% is still hidden.
So your point?
(April 13, 2019 at 7:29 am)Gawdzilla Sama Wrote: (April 13, 2019 at 6:31 am)AtlasS33 Wrote: That same physics says that the universe is expanding, that same physics only found out about 4% of the universe -leaving 96% uncovered-.
Are we speaking about the same physics here? How would you know?
You tell me.
How can an atheist be so sure about God not existing, even though science only found out about 4% of the universe?
Moreover; the God claim made by Muslims and many other theists is based on the design of the discovered universe.
The more we find out; the more we prove that time and space are not static like non-believers claim all the time; they can actually bend, get manipulated too. Black holes prove that; and one even got caught on camera.
So bye-bye to the idea of time being immune to bending. Actually space/time is like a loaf of bread, with sections of it cut like bread slices, a being can totally exist outside that loaf; controlling every cut slice. So God can exist, hidden from our eyes -just like black holes-, outside the stream of space/time.
This is how I know.
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RE: First ever black hole image released
April 13, 2019 at 10:02 am
What are you smoking and can I have some.
It's amazing 'science' always seems to 'find' whatever it is funded for, and never the oppsite. Drich.
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RE: First ever black hole image released
April 13, 2019 at 10:31 am
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(April 13, 2019 at 8:29 am)AtlasS33 Wrote: (April 13, 2019 at 6:43 am)Deesse23 Wrote: Newton also was an alchemist, yet another story.
Alchemy in its modern form was introduced to the world by a Muslim theist:
Quote:The word alchemy itself was derived from the Arabic word al-kīmiyā' (الكيمياء). The early Islamic world was a melting pot for alchemy. Platonic and Aristotelian thought, which had already been somewhat appropriated into hermetical science, continued to be assimilated during the late 7th and early 8th centuries through Syriac translations and scholarship. In the late 8th century, Jābir ibn Hayyān (Latinized as "Geber" or "Geberus") introduced a new approach to alchemy, based on scientific methodology and controlled experimentation in the laboratory, in contrast to the ancient Greek and Egyptian alchemists whose works were often allegorical and unintelligible, with very little concern for laboratory work
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alchemy#Islamic_world
It's ironic that the English word "Alchemy" is derived from the language of theist Muslims who believed and recited the Quran daily; الكيمياء that is.
Still this is about science not knowing but 4% of the universe; while 96% is still hidden.
So your point? What was the point you were trying to make by mentioning something competely unrelated to Newtons correct findings of gravity, namely his religious belief?
Whats the point about alchemy? The same as above? Showing that people can be wrong about one thing while being correct about something completely different?
I dont even have to make points it seems, you are making them all by yourself. Like any other fool, one just has to keep you talking and you will expose yourself, by yourself.
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RE: First ever black hole image released
April 13, 2019 at 11:48 am
(April 13, 2019 at 8:29 am)AtlasS33 Wrote: (April 13, 2019 at 7:29 am)Gawdzilla Sama Wrote: How would you know?
You tell me.
How can an atheist be so sure about God not existing, even though science only found out about 4% of the universe?
Moreover; the God claim made by Muslims and many other theists is based on the design of the discovered universe.
The more we find out; the more we prove that time and space are not static like non-believers claim all the time; they can actually bend, get manipulated too. Black holes prove that; and one even got caught on camera.
So bye-bye to the idea of time being immune to bending. Actually space/time is like a loaf of bread, with sections of it cut like bread slices, a being can totally exist outside that loaf; controlling every cut slice. So God can exist, hidden from our eyes -just like black holes-, outside the stream of space/time.
This is how I know. Your ignorance doesn't impress the universe.
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RE: First ever black hole image released
April 13, 2019 at 12:20 pm
We may only know about 4% of the universe but that says nothing about the existence of a god or gods, it just means we have a lot to learn.
"I don't know" does not equal god
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RE: First ever black hole image released
April 13, 2019 at 12:56 pm
(April 13, 2019 at 12:20 pm)zebo-the-fat Wrote: We may only know about 4% of the universe but that says nothing about the existence of a god or gods, it just means we have a lot to learn.
"I don't know" does not equal god He's probably wandering around "dark matter" with that "4%." I'm betting he didn't know the term, he's just parroting shite from another website.
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RE: First ever black hole image released
April 13, 2019 at 1:42 pm
(April 13, 2019 at 8:29 am)AtlasS33 Wrote: You tell me.
How can an atheist be so sure about God not existing, even though science only found out about 4% of the universe? Thats not how atheism works. This is hard atheism and it is a subset of atheism in general, and i bet it has been already explained to you.
(April 13, 2019 at 8:29 am)AtlasS33 Wrote: Moreover; the God claim made by Muslims and many other theists is based on the design of the discovered universe. Every religion claims the universe was created in a differernt way by a different god. All but one must be wrong, all of them may be wrong. Stop pretending its all the same.
You also seem to have no clue how to determine how something is designed. Please demonstrate that the universe must have been designed, please demonstrate that a *natural* universe would be different than the one we live in.
(April 13, 2019 at 8:29 am)AtlasS33 Wrote: The more we find out; the more we prove that time and space are not static like non-believers claim all the time; Thats a straw man and a pretty transparent one at that. Do you really believe such bullshit?
(April 13, 2019 at 8:29 am)AtlasS33 Wrote: So bye-bye to the idea of time being immune to bending. Actually space/time is like a loaf of bread, with sections of it cut like bread slices, a being can totally exist outside that loaf; controlling every cut slice. So God can exist, hidden from our eyes -just like black holes-, outside the stream of space/time. Please explain how something can exist outside of time and space. You probably have seen/read a popular science vid (or read an article) and now you think you have understood cosmolgy. Newsflash: You havent, and you wont, judging your lack of awareness of what constitutes knowledge and what constitutes belief.
(April 13, 2019 at 8:29 am)AtlasS33 Wrote: This is how I know. You dont know to differentiate between knowledge and belief, thats why you are and will remain ignorant.
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