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Somebody came up to me offering to pray for me today
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RE: Somebody came up to me offering to pray for me today
(May 3, 2019 at 11:55 am)Losty Wrote: One would think that Hitler and serial killers are the most deserving of prayer. If someone needs god the most, surely it’s them.

Quote:But who prays for Satan? Who in eighteen centuries, has had the common humanity to pray for the one sinner that needed it most, our one fellow and brother who most needed a friend yet had not a single one, the one sinner among us all who had the highest and clearest right to every Christian's daily and nightly prayers, for the plain and unassailable reason that his was the first and greatest need, he being among sinners the supremest?
-Mark Twain.
I am the Infantry. I am my country’s strength in war, her deterrent in peace. I am the heart of the fight… wherever, whenever. I carry America’s faith and honor against her enemies. I am the Queen of Battle. I am what my country expects me to be, the best trained Soldier in the world. In the race for victory, I am swift, determined, and courageous, armed with a fierce will to win. Never will I fail my country’s trust. Always I fight on…through the foe, to the objective, to triumph overall. If necessary, I will fight to my death. By my steadfast courage, I have won more than 200 years of freedom. I yield not to weakness, to hunger, to cowardice, to fatigue, to superior odds, For I am mentally tough, physically strong, and morally straight. I forsake not, my country, my mission, my comrades, my sacred duty. I am relentless. I am always there, now and forever. I AM THE INFANTRY! FOLLOW ME!
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#32
RE: Somebody came up to me offering to pray for me today
(May 3, 2019 at 9:24 pm)AtlasS33 Wrote:
(May 3, 2019 at 11:55 am)Losty Wrote: One would think that Hitler and serial killers are the most deserving of prayer. If someone needs god the most, surely it’s them.

They have minds and had their consciousness with them before going on with their crimes, they thought about the pain they will inflict and chose to either enjoy it or suppress it. They are not innocent, Losty. They don't deserve my prayer because they are guilty.

By your logic, you shouldn’t pray for anyone, everyone is guilty in Abrahamic religions. Everyone is a sinner and all sins apart from blasphemy are equal. Not that that matters, because you entirely missed my point. No one needs to be innocent in order to be deserving of help. I don’t believe in prayer, but when I did I always prayed for people who I thought needed it the most not people who I thought deserved it. This whole idea that someone needs to be deserving of prayer before god will help them goes against everything that most religion teaches. No one is worthy.
(August 21, 2017 at 11:31 pm)KevinM1 Wrote: "I'm not a troll"
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#33
RE: Somebody came up to me offering to pray for me today
(May 3, 2019 at 9:24 pm)AtlasS33 Wrote: They have minds and had their consciousness with them before going on with their crimes, they thought about the pain they will inflict and chose to either enjoy it or suppress it. They are not innocent, Losty. They don't deserve my prayer because they are guilty.

-as are we all, to hear the story told.  If "allah" were to punish men for their wrongdoing, he would not leave a single living creature on the earth.  We may be born in a state of fitrah, but it's not possible to maintain it in the long run, and, as with adam, when a man repents the lord will turn to him, he is, after all, the most merciful.

Don't get me wrong, I don't believe the stuff in your magic book..but I kindof expect you to, lol.

(May 3, 2019 at 9:43 pm)Losty Wrote:  This whole idea that someone needs to be deserving of prayer before god will help them goes against everything that most religion teaches. No one is worthy.

Meh, the abrahamics, anyway - but that's to be expected.  Theirs is a grift on the human guilt complex.
I am the Infantry. I am my country’s strength in war, her deterrent in peace. I am the heart of the fight… wherever, whenever. I carry America’s faith and honor against her enemies. I am the Queen of Battle. I am what my country expects me to be, the best trained Soldier in the world. In the race for victory, I am swift, determined, and courageous, armed with a fierce will to win. Never will I fail my country’s trust. Always I fight on…through the foe, to the objective, to triumph overall. If necessary, I will fight to my death. By my steadfast courage, I have won more than 200 years of freedom. I yield not to weakness, to hunger, to cowardice, to fatigue, to superior odds, For I am mentally tough, physically strong, and morally straight. I forsake not, my country, my mission, my comrades, my sacred duty. I am relentless. I am always there, now and forever. I AM THE INFANTRY! FOLLOW ME!
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#34
RE: Somebody came up to me offering to pray for me today
(May 3, 2019 at 9:43 pm)Losty Wrote:
(May 3, 2019 at 9:24 pm)AtlasS33 Wrote: They have minds and had their consciousness with them before going on with their crimes, they thought about the pain they will inflict and chose to either enjoy it or suppress it. They are not innocent, Losty. They don't deserve my prayer because they are guilty.

By your logic, you shouldn’t pray for anyone, everyone is guilty in Abrahamic religions. Everyone is a sinner and all sins apart from blasphemy are equal. Not that that matters, because you entirely missed my point. No one needs to be innocent in order to be deserving of help. I don’t believe in prayer, but when I did I always prayed for people who I thought needed it the most not people who I thought deserved it. This whole idea that someone needs to be deserving of prayer before god will help them goes against everything that most religion teaches. No one is worthy.

Prayer must be a personal thing carried out as a way of communication with God. Why wait for somebody else to do it for you if you really wanted God?

In Arabic; this is called "Shafa'ah":
 
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shafa%27ah

I believe that you must be innocent to get an intercession, otherwise you are asking God to betray his own words and excuse a criminal.

(May 3, 2019 at 9:46 pm)Gae Bolga Wrote:
(May 3, 2019 at 9:24 pm)AtlasS33 Wrote: They have minds and had their consciousness with them before going on with their crimes, they thought about the pain they will inflict and chose to either enjoy it or suppress it. They are not innocent, Losty. They don't deserve my prayer because they are guilty.

-as are we all, to hear the story told.  If "allah" were to punish men for their wrongdoing, he would not leave a single living creature on the earth.  We may be born in a state of fitrah, but it's not possible to maintain it in the long run, and, as with adam, when a man repents the lord will turn to him, he is, after all, the most merciful.

Don't get me wrong, I don't believe the stuff in your magic book..but I kindof expect you to, lol.

The fitrah will stay there in the background, all what surrounds it is static that came either from the mouth of Satan or from our darker side, the problem is when somebody allows the static to cover up their fitrah -like Adam and Eve did-. We will always get static stuck to our spirits, covering our fitrah and turning us into...copied versions of Satan, but we can try our best to remove that static, and God's mercy will clean the rest.
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#35
RE: Somebody came up to me offering to pray for me today
@AtlasS33 so, you don’t ever pray for anyone?
(August 21, 2017 at 11:31 pm)KevinM1 Wrote: "I'm not a troll"
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#36
RE: Somebody came up to me offering to pray for me today
(May 4, 2019 at 1:23 am)Losty Wrote: @AtlasS33 so, you don’t ever pray for anyone?

I used to do it back in the day, but since I changed my view towards God I now think very seriously about my prayers, and either I should give them to others or not.
According to my belief, a prayer is not a spell, it's a real request to a real figure.

Now I view God as a unique, independent entity that has infinite intelligence, and has full knowledge of my current, past and future steps. Thus; I don't  pray for somebody asking God to excuse them; they have their own channel of communication with God, they shouldn't need my "Shafa'ah/pleading for mercy". Also God already knows their past, present and future too.

I try to be as obvious as I can be: here on earth we can ask favors from each other, ask each other to let go of certain constraints, but when it comes to God, this mentality must evaporate. He is an absolute figure, or so Islam had taught me.
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#37
RE: Somebody came up to me offering to pray for me today
Had a group of JoHos arrived at my place yesterday.

To their credit they left without argument when I told them I wasn't interested.
Dying to live, living to die.
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#38
RE: Somebody came up to me offering to pray for me today
(May 4, 2019 at 4:19 am)The Valkyrie Wrote: Had a group of JoHos arrived at my place yesterday.

To their credit they left without argument when I told them I wasn't interested.

Don't get any door knockers here. Maybe the sign helps.

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RE: Somebody came up to me offering to pray for me today
(May 4, 2019 at 6:01 am)Gawdzilla Sama Wrote:
(May 4, 2019 at 4:19 am)The Valkyrie Wrote: Had a group of JoHos arrived at my place yesterday.

To their credit they left without argument when I told them I wasn't interested.

Don't get any door knockers here. Maybe the sign helps.

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I should get one of those.  We've got the standard 'No Religious Solicitation' brass plaque.  It's right next to the doorbell, but gets ignored all the same.

Boru
‘Let me never fall into the vulgar mistake of dreaming that I am persecuted whenever I am contradicted.’ Ralph Waldo Emerson
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RE: Somebody came up to me offering to pray for me today
(May 4, 2019 at 6:32 am)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote:
(May 4, 2019 at 6:01 am)Gawdzilla Sama Wrote: Don't get any door knockers here. Maybe the sign helps.

[Image: pGMCJmT.jpg]

I should get one of those.  We've got the standard 'No Religious Solicitation' brass plaque.  It's right next to the doorbell, but gets ignored all the same.

Boru

Just print that one. I didn't copyright it. Cool
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