A postscript to "what happened to me"

[arewethereyet]

Rob is a good guy. And he's a logical guy.

The folks wanting to say that he's "turned into a fruitcake" are the people who don't find it worthwhile to discover why one of your friends is hurting and confused. Plenty of people want to pile on a hurting and confused person because that's what's easy to do (from a social perspective).

"Hurt the vulnerable person," may be the best summation of the herd mentality. And someone who seeks to think differently than you? What do you think of them?

"He who seeks, easily gets lost. All loneliness is guilt" — thus speaks the herd. And you have long belonged to the herd. The voice of the herd will still be audible in you. And when you will say, "I no longer have a common conscience with you," it will be a lament and an agony. Behold, this agony itself was bom of the common conscience, and the last glimmer of that conscience still glows on your affliction."

--Nietzsche

See, here I think you're arguing against a moral view that is pretty much dominant in the US these days. It's the "I'm a macho man fuck you" moral system. 

It says that once you are out of the charmed circle of people we approve of, we have no duty to be empathetic or kind. It's completely obvious among Trump supporters, who think the concentration camps are justified. It's also common among liberals, who think that anybody who voted for Trump must be a racist and lost cause, undeserving of our sympathy. People will even justify it as some kind of tough love, thinking that the person they don't approve of should be beaten until morale improves.

Recently a guy who posted on the old [S]inking Atheist forum died. His friends are eulogizing him as kind and generous. And to them, he was. He also spent a lot of time on that forum bullying people and typing the most hurtful things he could think of. But his friends agreed that the recipients of his cruelty deserved it, so they think it was a good thing to do. 

In other words, a person can devote lots and lots of time to cruelty, and still be considered a kind and generous person.

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IMO Rob needs the sort of help that is unfortunately completely beyond the scope of any forum or individual on the Internet to give.

I suspect this is true, and it's a sad thing.

You are so sure of your assessment of the person who recently died that you are Vaguebooking it by not even mentioning his name?  Even you know that it's not generally accepted to bash the dead...particularly when they aren't even cold yet.  

A bully, no, not so much.  One who didn't suffer fools, probably.  One who would stick up for and defend the most hurt and damaged among us, definitely.  Beloved by his friends, absolutely.  

You seem to think you know what his friends thought/think.  Well, I think along the way he said something that hurt your feelings and you think you can now slam him for it since he can't speak back.  Whose character does that speak to?

pfft.

[Deesse23]

You seem to think you know what his friends thought/think.  Well, I think along the way he said something that hurt your feelings and you think you can now slam him for it since he can't speak back.  Whose character does that speak to?

pfft.

I was about to ask this prime paragon of proper philosophy and politeness if one of those unnamed persons who got allegedly bullied (by the deceased) was the poster himself.

Then i decided ill rather not waste too much time. And now please excuse me, i think i´ll have to take a shower *brrrr*

[Bucky Ball]

See, here I think you're arguing against a moral view that is pretty much dominant in the US these days. It's the "I'm a macho man fuck you" moral system. 

It says that once you are out of the charmed circle of people we approve of, we have no duty to be empathetic or kind. It's completely obvious among Trump supporters, who think the concentration camps are justified. It's also common among liberals, who think that anybody who voted for Trump must be a racist and lost cause, undeserving of our sympathy. People will even justify it as some kind of tough love, thinking that the person they don't approve of should be beaten until morale improves.

Recently a guy who posted on the old [S]inking Atheist forum died. His friends are eulogizing him as kind and generous. And to them, he was. He also spent a lot of time on that forum bullying people and typing the most hurtful things he could think of. But his friends agreed that the recipients of his cruelty deserved it, so they think it was a good thing to do. 

In other words, a person can devote lots and lots of time to cruelty, and still be considered a kind and generous person.

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Since you obviously didn't know him AT ALL, (you obviously must have been the object of his ire, which was VERY RARE), and in fact he was always a source of moderation and reason, (he was also very learned not only in religion ... his one long-time wife is a Catholic), but science and philosophy. He supervised a large government (computer) coding operation. He was very intelligent. He spent NO TIME "bullying" anyone, and in fact worked to see that people others didn't accept, were given a chance. He was one of THE most beloved members of that forum, and NO ONE, (except you ... were you banned there ??) ever criticized him. 
Shame on you.

Edit :
TTA didn't "die". It was closed and reopened (where YOU posted) after the first sponsor decided he was moving on.
BTW, can you define what a "conservative" actually is ?

[Fireball]

Belaqua, what you are saying is completely uncalled for, on top of being wrong.

[Belacqua]

Belaqua, what you are saying is completely uncalled for, on top of being wrong.

Was it OK for Christopher Hitchens to say nasty things about recently-deceased Jerry Falwell, because we don't approve of Falwell?

[arewethereyet]

Belaqua, what you are saying is completely uncalled for, on top of being wrong.

Was it OK for Christopher Hitchens to say nasty things about recently-deceased Jerry Falwell, because we don't approve of Falwell?

Pathetic.

Absolutely pathetic.

You know that it's wrong.  Now you are playing - Hitchens did it too - doesn't make your bashing the recently dead okay.

You know that.

Not even a decent attempt at making an excuse.

Yeah but (s)he did it first doesn't mean your poor behavior is acceptable.

[brewer]

See, here I think you're arguing against a moral view that is pretty much dominant in the US these days. It's the "I'm a macho man fuck you" moral system. 

It says that once you are out of the charmed circle of people we approve of, we have no duty to be empathetic or kind. It's completely obvious among Trump supporters, who think the concentration camps are justified. It's also common among liberals, who think that anybody who voted for Trump must be a racist and lost cause, undeserving of our sympathy. People will even justify it as some kind of tough love, thinking that the person they don't approve of should be beaten until morale improves.

Recently a guy who posted on the old [S]inking Atheist forum died. His friends are eulogizing him as kind and generous. And to them, he was. He also spent a lot of time on that forum bullying people and typing the most hurtful things he could think of. But his friends agreed that the recipients of his cruelty deserved it, so they think it was a good thing to do. 

In other words, a person can devote lots and lots of time to cruelty, and still be considered a kind and generous person.

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I suspect this is true, and it's a sad thing.

You are so sure of your assessment of the person who recently died that you are Vaguebooking it by not even mentioning his name?  Even you know that it's not generally accepted to bash the dead...particularly when they aren't even cold yet.  

A bully, no, not so much.  One who didn't suffer fools, probably.  One who would stick up for and defend the most hurt and damaged among us, definitely.  Beloved by his friends, absolutely.  

You seem to think you know what his friends thought/think.  Well, I think along the way he said something that hurt your feelings and you think you can now slam him for it since he can't speak back.  Whose character does that speak to?

pfft.

Bel likes playing the victim card.

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Belaqua, what you are saying is completely uncalled for, on top of being wrong.

I sure that in Bel's world it is perfectly justified.

[arewethereyet]

You are so sure of your assessment of the person who recently died that you are Vaguebooking it by not even mentioning his name?  Even you know that it's not generally accepted to bash the dead...particularly when they aren't even cold yet.  

A bully, no, not so much.  One who didn't suffer fools, probably.  One who would stick up for and defend the most hurt and damaged among us, definitely.  Beloved by his friends, absolutely.  

You seem to think you know what his friends thought/think.  Well, I think along the way he said something that hurt your feelings and you think you can now slam him for it since he can't speak back.  Whose character does that speak to?

pfft.

Bel likes playing the victim card.

And I forgot that he doesn't respond to women...at least he doesn't respond to me...he didn't at TTA either.

My heart freakin' bleeds that he is such a spineless POS.   

[brewer]

Bel likes playing the victim card.

And I forgot that he doesn't respond to women...at least he doesn't respond to me...he didn't at TTA either.

My heart freakin' bleeds that he is such a spineless POS.   

I should be on his shit list, or at least I was at one time. 

If you don't validate his world of philosophy then he considers you abusive.

[Fireball]

Belaqua, what you are saying is completely uncalled for, on top of being wrong.

Was it OK for Christopher Hitchens to say nasty things about recently-deceased Jerry Falwell, because we don't approve of Falwell?

Just because CH dissed JF doesn't mean WE approve of it. Take that giant paint brush off me.

Bel likes playing the victim card.

And I forgot that he doesn't respond to women...at least he doesn't respond to me...he didn't at TTA either.

My heart freakin' bleeds that he is such a spineless POS.   

Bububut, you're a GURL!