How about this..

[The Grand Nudger]

Pretending your long-standing and well demonstrated incompetence is a brilliant strategy in three dimensional chess only demonstrates that long standing incompetence even further.

[Brian37]

"Truce" is about war, not logic. The world does not need more war. But sorry Drich, I won't shy away from anyone of any religion making claims based on old mythology. I have no desire to have anyone arrested because I think they don't need religion. And I certainly welcome any non violent individual into my community, but that does not mean I am obligated to accept old claims and never challenge them.

I can value the likes of Martin Luther King Jr, Ann Frank, and Malala, and disagree with where any of them would claim our species behaviors come from. I love my late mother who was a Catholic and died a Catholic, but she knew my position, she knew I argued that she didn't need her religion. 

You piss me off Drich, but unless you were physically assaulting me, or passing laws to have me arrested, I still would not leave you bleeding in the streets if you got into a car accident. 

I also think Malala got it wrong. Islam isn't the source for female rights, anymore than Christianity or Hinduism or Buddhism. I value human empathy, like that of Sammy Davis Jr. I hate warmongers like Trump and Bibi. I could care what one's religion is.

I can accept that religion exists, and to greater or lesser degrees it always will. But my fellow humans need to STOP coddling religion and stop being afraid to change when better data comes in.

[I_am_not_mafia]

any one with a pulse who understands this would not even need to mention the 2nd law of TD because entropy is being compensated for by the addition of an external power source eg fuel.

Then it isn't a perpetual motion machine is it ...

Not only that it was faith in your own ego that kept you from accepting my own analysis of my own machine and why it failed as a PMM.

You're the one who called it a perpetual motion machine. It was everyone else that disputed it. Are you now saying that you were wrong? If so discussion over. You've conceded our point.

[Brian37]

any one with a pulse who understands this would not even need to mention the 2nd law of TD because entropy is being compensated for by the addition of an external power source eg fuel.

Then it isn't a perpetual motion machine is it ...

Not only that it was faith in your own ego that kept you from accepting my own analysis of my own machine and why it failed as a PMM.

You're the one who called it a perpetual motion machine. It was everyone else that disputed it. Are you now saying that you were wrong? If so discussion over. You've conceded our point.

@Drich

We do not have "faith". "Faith" is the illogical position, that inquiry and curiosity is less important than wishful thinking.

If "faith" was all there was to our species existence, our species never would have left the caves. Doubting and questioning is why we have modern technology, modern medicine, a modern understanding of biology, our planet and the universe. We have a modern understanding because humans dared to question social norms.

[I_am_not_mafia]

You left out the bits where you defeated The Joker, built the Pyramids, and invented perpetual motion.

As far as energy now with things we have at hand.. Free nuclear power available to anyone anywhere in the world can be found just 7.5 miles down.
The deepest hole in the world is 7.5 mile down it is in russia. this hole was stopped at 7.5 miles because the water to cool the tools would flash before it got to the tool heads. meaning if we piped down water we could bring back up crazy high steam pressure. high enough to turn turbines and make conventional electricity..

So in a sense old sport... there is your perpetual motion machine. Just make it a closed loop system. Pump in cold water from a seal reservoir, down 7.5 miles have the water flash to steam allow the vapor to come back up as high pressure gas, run it through a turbine ,then a condenser then back to the radiator, and repeat.

No fuel used the turbine will spin till the steam washes away the stainless steel blades 100k years from now. the wate get pumped in as liquid turn to steam which forces it self out to the turbine via pipes runs through the turbine is recaptured by pipe system to a condenser making the water liquid again returns to a reservoir waiting to be used again. if the system is sealed then you will never need to refill the water nor need fuel to make the steam.

Let's review what you were claiming Drich. Admittedly you did say "So in a sense" ... but even being this generous, absolutely everything  else was wrong.

You claimed it would last until the components wore out 100K years from now.

You claimed it provides free nuclear power.

You claimed it did not use fuel.

[Deesse23]

Which again I pointed out in post 197 when I said:

To be a true perpetual motion machine it can not have a fuel source. You f-ing dim wits where muddling around it when you where harping on about the second law of thermal dynamics.. which is why i wanted you to explain what that law was because if you had you would have identified the earths heat as a outside power source which does not fit the definition of a perpetual motion machine.

Well, for the upteenth time then: I called your weak sauce "trap" out in post #143, which is ca. 50 posts before 197, innit?

Am i wrong or did this idiot just really claim he has found a perpetual motion machine, and it is geothermal activity fueled by decay of radioactive material below the surface of this planet?

I sincerely hope you are only a village idiot and not a color blind village idiot.

[Drich]

 what's worse.. I bet you don't understand why a pmm can not exist, otherwise this conversation would be pointed at what does indeed perpetuates motion indefinitely in this machine and that is FUEL!!! Once you say fuel the argument is over. yet you are still not smart enough to point this out no matter how many times i point to the literal definition and tell you why my pmm does not work as a pmm! 

https://atheistforums.org/thread-59309-p...pid1921307

Am i wrong or did this idiot just really claim he has found a perpetual motion machine, and it is geothermal activity fueled by decay of radioactive material below the surface of this planet?

and no, the fuel does not last eternally either, so its not a perpetual running machine either way, being fueled or not. 

You are so confused, you do not only not understand what everybody else is saying, you dont understand what you are saying yourself, thats why you are constantly contradicting even yourself, which makes you a poster child of being an incoherently mumbling (village) idiot.

We have two threads now with you alternatively claiming you have a perpetual motion machine or you claiming your have made up one we wouldnt figure why it wouldnt work as such. We also have you alternatively claiming that your machine is perpetually moving or alternatively not.

We also have you claiming (and that was the ab-so-fucking-lutely most hilarious one) that you have a perpetual motion machine, because due to wear and tear it will stop before its fuel runs out.  
https://atheistforums.org/thread-59309-p...pid1921349

You are fucking all over the place, and making shit up as you go along, from post #1, page #1, because you dont have a fucking clue what you are talking about, and dont posess the integrity to admit to your ignorance. As long as thats the case, you wont be able/willing to learn and be stuck in stupid.....perpetually.

one last attempt.. Mathilda maybe you should read this too or anyone else who thinks any of this was about a PMM.

I am going to time line in an outline form said events in hopes you will finally understand what all of this was about. if at the end of this you feel you still need to argue the 2nd law or how you used the word fuel, then never mind you win I'm done lets move on to the next one.

1) over a week ago I noticed no activity in the christian discussion portion of the web site for some time..

2) I looked up some old posts including my 1st

3) in it I got 2 pages of people bragging on how their superior atheist minds would send me home crying to my preacher in side a week. before i could respond to one post.

4) it's been 12,000 posts give or take since then..
4a) meaning they did not send me anywhere in fact i stayed and many left because I was not kicked out and they could not defeat my religious arguments.
4b) spin that any way you like but acknowledge the fact is I am here and they left because they could not defeat my arguments and did not want to see them and management would not ban me.

5) I however realized this was not true for all christians. over 2/3s of the christian members left at the first of the year. because they feel legit discussions have devolved into mean spirited personal attacks.. really nasty stuff. not just in matters of faith but through out the website christians felt like they where attacked in areas of the website most of you go to relax and let your shields down. I was asked to leave with them in protest to get the upper management to take note and maybe clean this place up. (they have since moved to another site from last I heard)

6) It has been my observation the situation has devolved since then, so I decided to prove the situation so I wrote the thread "so what happened" Then explain what I was dong in the OP of that thread..
6a) surprisingly 4 honest and very open thread came out of it and I was given hope. where 4 members wrote christian based questions in their own threads to which I answered as promised.

7) then someone said something about a PMM and I felt challenged to come up with one

8) so I looked up the definition to define the parameters of my build and it's scope.. So i googled Perpetual motion and when you do you get this from google:
Dictionary
per·pet·u·al mo·tion
/pərˈpeCH(əw)əl ˈmōSHən/
noun

1. a state in which movement or action is or appears to be continuous and unceasing.
   "the planet is in perpetual motion"
   
   • the motion of a hypothetical machine which, once activated, would run forever unless subject to an external force or to wear.
     "the age-old quest for the secret of perpetual motion"
     
     

9) so i set off to think what could run indefinitely Or till it wore out or it was physically stopped. because again that is the definition I worked with.

10)thought about this for a few minutes and just saw a youtube video on this 7.5 mile hole that had to stop drilling because it was too hot.. then infused this with a nuclear power plant, where instead of using nuclear fuel rods we use the earth own heat to boil water and spin turbines. again all of this is current use technology. if not with a nuclear plant tech, tech was borrowed from current geothermal plants, and combined. the only difference being is a current geothermal plant uses current thin spots in the crust and endless amounts of water.. 

my idea makes any part of the world a potential geothermal plant that uses no commodities to run everything is recycled, nothing is diminished and can potentially run till as the defination say parts fail or it is shut off..

10a) again all of this was not about the machine but to demonstrate how facts are ignored and how you guys would favor personal insults over trying to dicuss the tech.. because again I picked this because all three major technologies needed to make this work has been in use since the 1970s and it will be easy to source real facts you can not argue.

11) then I posted this and one day in, I got my first hint of entropy as being a problem (heat extraction) So this time not remembering I only looked up perpetual motion I looked up perpetual motion machine! which is a whole different definition:

Perpetual motion is motion of bodies that continues indefinitely. A perpetual motion machine is a hypothetical machine that can do work indefinitely without an energy source. This kind of machine is impossible, as it would violate the first or second law of thermodynamics.

12) so i look up the 2nd law again and see the entropy and identify the hole 7.5 miles down and the heat generated by the earth as a heat source as a fuel, which is why the second law was never broken meaning my machine is just another power station and not a PMM. 

13) then I thought it has been a day and not one of you point out that my station uses the earth's core heat as a external fuel source, and therefore disqualifies it as a PMM.

14) My original game plan was to demonstrate how you guys ignore facts to try and win arguments through personal insult and the destruction of the messenger rather than even discuss the message in most instances, and here we are at this point one day in and it is obvious to me not one of you has even looked up the PMM definition, because again right in the defination fuel is identified as my achilles heel.

15) so I decided to have some fun and really let you swallow the bait wholly and completely so when I set the hook every single last one of you who participated in this conversation could be identified as guilty of not seeking truth or fact but only a cursory understanding to try and turn this into a 15:1 name calling contest. so I let you all go for 4 more days of personal insults and everything my op said you people had devolved into..

16) then on day 5 like always at some point you all start repeating yourselves in some vain attempt to throw enough poop on the wall to see what sticks.
16a once you all start repeating each other ideas like their your own I can always tell that then end of any intelligent thought.. the rest is mob rules and then the lowest level of member comes out.. the zombie and or buzzard comes out.. you know the type those who only comment in vile and venom once all of the heavy lifting was done.. they only generally offer one or two liners and then sink back into the swamp.. The type who always has to have the last word even if it is a emoticon or sme meme.. 


17) So rather than let the zombie take the thread I set the hook on that bait that you all swallowed 4 days back.

18) the smart ones immediately saw what I did and shut down everything right away. no more arguments no more mean slanderous thoughts, just silence. I'd say 1/2 to 2/3s of the mob saw the truth in what I said and did and scurried back to lick their wounds.

19) then the proud who maybe smart felt like they needed to test to see if i was legit, so i got some push back but ultimately they shut up when i started pointing back to post 197 and prior discussions on fuel and entropy.

20) Next what is left are the ones who just can not accept that I could fool them so badly they are still trying to fling shit (personal insult and or red herring and or straw man arguments to try and save face. despite everything I did and said.. they walk back arguments to a point where they felt they had a strong point and try and build another one. and when the fail they walk back a little more or the take their last best attempt and try and redefine it... For that kind of wicked person is the reason I let them and the rest of you go 5 days... there is no walking back after 5 days because EVERYTHING you/they said from jump was and always was wrong.. they only think they can do at this point is play obstinate or just play dumb and pretend they where in on it the whole time.. It is not for anyone else because everyone else sees the truth.. these people are usually just trying to dilute themselves as they have over built themselves up in their own heads and can not improve themselves from taking and accepting a loss.. no they just argue ad nauseum till the other person just get tired (which is why you can have the argument, as the smart people the people who shut up one or two days in are my target audience. the rest of you is a practice in patience and a demonstration to my target audience that I am indeed making a honest effort to change, so the rest of you can change and the expression of personal ideas and thoughts are not automatically met with anger and hostility.

21) then there is you... you are still stuck on the idea this is about the machine or how it worked or does not work. You are the only one who has failed to make the transition from this topic to what the purpose of the thread was. Do you now understand the purpose of the thread

Again not about the machine but about how you argue is the problem.


If so please in 20 words or less tell me what my intended purpose of the thread is.

[The Grand Nudger]

Perpetual shitposting.

[Drich]

I have another offer, Drich.  You've made a little over 12 400 posts here.  If you can do 10% of that going forward (124 posts) without insulting someone else's intelligence, I'll play along - conditionally - with your truce.

Boru

at least tell me you understand that my intelligence is under attack daily and usually by several people at a time and has been from the beginning, and my efforts are nothing more than a pushing back to demonstrate that i am not without wisdom or resource to look up anything in question. That despite the onslaught I face here every day, you are asking me to tie my hands behind my back and will not allow me to defend my self for the next 124 posts.

If you are fair and honest not only will I go you 124 and will keep going.

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I have another offer, Drich.  You've made a little over 12 400 posts here.  If you can do 10% of that going forward (124 posts) without insulting someone else's intelligence, I'll play along - conditionally - with your truce.

Boru

I am on board if he additionally manages to stay coherent within the next 124 posts.

ok this is 1

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I have another offer, Drich.  You've made a little over 12 400 posts here.  If you can do 10% of that going forward (124 posts) without insulting someone else's intelligence, I'll play along - conditionally - with your truce.

Boru

If it is within his intellectual capacity to say anything that wouldn’t be an insult to the intelligence of his audience, he has done a divinely inspired job of hiding the evidence.

note to boru, this is again an example of the personal attack I spoke of and again what my "what happened post" was all about.

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What exactly do you mean by catch up? Why assume that no one knew about this until now?

You're just blathering now, back-peddling and trying to hide your ignorance by nit-picking definitions like a typical Xtian.

As I have repeatedly said throughout your multiple threads, we've been deliberately trying to keep it simple because none of us have any confidence in your ability to understand this.

Not because it's difficult but because of your arrogance and inability to admit when you're wrong.

See post 77


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Pretending your long-standing and well demonstrated incompetence is a brilliant strategy in three dimensional chess only demonstrates that long standing incompetence even further.

See post 77




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[Deesse23]

As far as energy now with things we have at hand.. Free nuclear power available to anyone anywhere in the world can be found just 7.5 miles down.
The deepest hole in the world is 7.5 mile down it is in russia. this hole was stopped at 7.5 miles because the water to cool the tools would flash before it got to the tool heads. meaning if we piped down water we could bring back up crazy high steam pressure. high enough to turn turbines and make conventional electricity..

So in a sense old sport... there is your perpetual motion machine. Just make it a closed loop system. Pump in cold water from a seal reservoir, down 7.5 miles have the water flash to steam allow the vapor to come back up as high pressure gas, run it through a turbine ,then a condenser then back to the radiator, and repeat.

No fuel used the turbine will spin till the steam washes away the stainless steel blades 100k years from now. the wate get pumped in as liquid turn to steam which forces it self out to the turbine via pipes runs through the turbine is recaptured by pipe system to a condenser making the water liquid again returns to a reservoir waiting to be used again. if the system is sealed then you will never need to refill the water nor need fuel to make the steam.

Let's review what you were claiming Drich. Admittedly you did say "So in a sense" ... but even being this generous, absolutely everything  else was wrong.

You claimed it would last until the components wore out 100K years from now.

You claimed it provides free nuclear power.

You claimed it did not use fuel.

Plus the hilarious claim about tear and wear.

Ill tell you what happened:
until ca. #134 he believed a perpetual motion machine just needs to "run forever", and i bet he thought geothermal energy would be the solution, because, it will last so long, almost forever. . He didn tknow that being fueled forom the outside disqualifies his machine from being a perpetual motion machine, and he didnt realize that forever is literally for-fucking-ever. He didnt (and still doesnt) know shit about thermal thermodynamics. Hence his hysterical post:

come on boring you... You know I am not subject to your personal definitions... In the REAL definition of a perpetual motion machine the energy does 'have to go back into the hole.) That is you trying to move the goal posts so you do not have to admit that I literally came up with an example of a machine that will never stop working with no addition of fuel or material loss out side of wear and tear. Don't look now but that is the literal definition, and not your personal take.

per·pet·u·al mo·tion
/pərˈpeCH(əw)əl ˈmōSHən/
noun

1. a state in which movement or action is or appears to be continuous and unceasing.
   "the planet is in perpetual motion"
   
   • the motion of a hypothetical machine which, once activated, would run forever unless subject to an external force or to wear.
     "the age-old quest for the secret of perpetual motion"
     
     
     

do you see the second definition? 

This is me in a 2 min window providing you and the rest of the world with a machine that would technically run forever.

Until #153, he definitely (still) believed that wear and tear are excluded in the energy balance, yet wear and tear is the main problem for any (real) attempt of a (real) perpetual motion machine (not the bullshit-normal-machine being externally fueled like the engine of my car, which also has been explained ot him multiple times). Any machine with wear and tear can not, fundamentally not, be a perpetual motion machine (like any maching being fueled from the outside of the boundaries of its closed system). It definitely has escaped him until #153

and i do not think you understand the definition of perpetual motion machine.. even after I posted it.

wear and tear would consume the machine before the radiation of the core would stop producing enough heat to cause a fuel failure.

Meaning core fails with in 10 years all life ends, yet the machine will continue on till the bearing fails, or a pipe develops a leak or a rubber oring cracks and fails or 1000 other wear and tear things happens... which again is included in the defination.

Meaning the definition of perpetual motion machine makes allowances for wear and tear. which again will hapen long long before the machine runs out of fuel/heat.

He is an idiot with delusions of grandeur. He is making up shit as he goes along and thinks we are just as stupid and wont notice. Well, i got bad news for him.....