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August 1, 2019 at 1:43 pm (This post was last modified: August 1, 2019 at 1:44 pm by Drich.)
(August 1, 2019 at 12:42 pm)Peebo-Thuhlu Wrote:
(August 1, 2019 at 11:45 am)Drich Wrote: another weekend physicist who's reading comprehension is next to a 3rd grade level it seems...
Kinda hard to take credit of explaining something that was included in the draft
Hello Drich.
So... do you understand what the term 'Perpetual motion machine' actually applies to?
The Sun and solar panels set up you're highlighting here does not qualify.
A perpatual motion machine, by the accepted definition, by default does not need ANY fuel to operate. Hence the term 'Free energy' is also usually appiled to the term.
The solar radiation is the 'fuel' in the solar panel/Sun system.
That 'fuel' will run out.
The Sun will eventually stop producing seful amounts of energy in the solar panel/sun system.
A 'Perpetual motion machine' will/should continue working perpetually. As in once turned on the machine will operate by itself, forever.
Cheers.
Not at work.
I told you READ POST 77... Since you can't go back and read allow me to repost 77 here: Post 77 is an out line/time line of this whole discussion from inception to post 76 in this thread. keep in mind i was directing it to desee and mathilda at the time but it applies to you as a jonny come latly who thinks he is teaching me how my machine does not fit the definition of your group think answer.. just click on the show content to understand what this thread is about.
one last attempt.. Mathilda maybe you should read this too or anyone else who thinks any of this was about a PMM.
I am going to time line in an outline form said events in hopes you will finally understand what all of this was about. if at the end of this you feel you still need to argue the 2nd law or how you used the word fuel, then never mind you win I'm done lets move on to the next one.
1) over a week ago I noticed no activity in the christian discussion portion of the web site for some time..
2) I looked up some old posts including my 1st
3) in it I got 2 pages of people bragging on how their superior atheist minds would send me home crying to my preacher in side a week. before i could respond to one post.
4) it's been 12,000 posts give or take since then..
4a) meaning they did not send me anywhere in fact i stayed and many left because I was not kicked out and they could not defeat my religious arguments.
4b) spin that any way you like but acknowledge the fact is I am here and they left because they could not defeat my arguments and did not want to see them and management would not ban me.
5) I however realized this was not true for all christians. over 2/3s of the christian members left at the first of the year. because they feel legit discussions have devolved into mean spirited personal attacks.. really nasty stuff. not just in matters of faith but through out the website christians felt like they where attacked in areas of the website most of you go to relax and let your shields down. I was asked to leave with them in protest to get the upper management to take note and maybe clean this place up. (they have since moved to another site from last I heard)
6) It has been my observation the situation has devolved since then, so I decided to prove the situation so I wrote the thread "so what happened" Then explain what I was dong in the OP of that thread..
6a) surprisingly 4 honest and very open thread came out of it and I was given hope. where 4 members wrote christian based questions in their own threads to which I answered as promised.
7) then someone said something about a PMM and I felt challenged to come up with one
8) so I looked up the definition to define the parameters of my build and it's scope.. So i googled Perpetual motion and when you do you get this from google: Dictionary per·pet·u·al mo·tion /pərˈpeCH(əw)əl ˈmōSHən/ noun
a state in which movement or action is or appears to be continuous and unceasing. "the planet is in perpetual motion"
the motion of a hypothetical machine which, once activated, would run forever unless subject to an external force or to wear. "the age-old quest for the secret of perpetual motion"
9) so i set off to think what could run indefinitely Or till it wore out or it was physically stopped. because again that is the definition I worked with.
10)thought about this for a few minutes and just saw a youtube video on this 7.5 mile hole that had to stop drilling because it was too hot.. then infused this with a nuclear power plant, where instead of using nuclear fuel rods we use the earth own heat to boil water and spin turbines. again all of this is current use technology. if not with a nuclear plant tech, tech was borrowed from current geothermal plants, and combined. the only difference being is a current geothermal plant uses current thin spots in the crust and endless amounts of water..
my idea makes any part of the world a potential geothermal plant that uses no commodities to run everything is recycled, nothing is diminished and can potentially run till as the defination say parts fail or it is shut off..
10a) again all of this was not about the machine but to demonstrate how facts are ignored and how you guys would favor personal insults over trying to dicuss the tech.. because again I picked this because all three major technologies needed to make this work has been in use since the 1970s and it will be easy to source real facts you can not argue.
11) then I posted this and one day in, I got my first hint of entropy as being a problem (heat extraction) So this time not remembering I only looked up perpetual motion I looked up perpetual motion machine! which is a whole different definition:
Perpetual motion is motion of bodies that continues indefinitely. A perpetual motion machine is a hypothetical machine that can do work indefinitely without an energy source. This kind of machine is impossible, as it would violate the first or second law of thermodynamics.
12) so i look up the 2nd law again and see the entropy and identify the hole 7.5 miles down and the heat generated by the earth as a heat source as a fuel, which is why the second law was never broken meaning my machine is just another power station and not a PMM.
13) then I thought it has been a day and not one of you point out that my station uses the earth's core heat as a external fuel source, and therefore disqualifies it as a PMM.
14) My original game plan was to demonstrate how you guys ignore facts to try and win arguments through personal insult and the destruction of the messenger rather than even discuss the message in most instances, and here we are at this point one day in and it is obvious to me not one of you has even looked up the PMM definition, because again right in the defination fuel is identified as my achilles heel.
15) so I decided to have some fun and really let you swallow the bait wholly and completely so when I set the hook every single last one of you who participated in this conversation could be identified as guilty of not seeking truth or fact but only a cursory understanding to try and turn this into a 15:1 name calling contest. so I let you all go for 4 more days of personal insults and everything my op said you people had devolved into..
16) then on day 5 like always at some point you all start repeating yourselves in some vain attempt to throw enough poop on the wall to see what sticks.
16a once you all start repeating each other ideas like their your own I can always tell that then end of any intelligent thought.. the rest is mob rules and then the lowest level of member comes out.. the zombie and or buzzard comes out.. you know the type those who only comment in vile and venom once all of the heavy lifting was done.. they only generally offer one or two liners and then sink back into the swamp.. The type who always has to have the last word even if it is a emoticon or sme meme..
17) So rather than let the zombie take the thread I set the hook on that bait that you all swallowed 4 days back.
18) the smart ones immediately saw what I did and shut down everything right away. no more arguments no more mean slanderous thoughts, just silence. I'd say 1/2 to 2/3s of the mob saw the truth in what I said and did and scurried back to lick their wounds.
19) then the proud who maybe smart felt like they needed to test to see if i was legit, so i got some push back but ultimately they shut up when i started pointing back to post 197 and prior discussions on fuel and entropy.
20) Next what is left are the ones who just can not accept that I could fool them so badly they are still trying to fling shit (personal insult and or red herring and or straw man arguments to try and save face. despite everything I did and said.. they walk back arguments to a point where they felt they had a strong point and try and build another one. and when the fail they walk back a little more or the take their last best attempt and try and redefine it... For that kind of wicked person is the reason I let them and the rest of you go 5 days... there is no walking back after 5 days because EVERYTHING you/they said from jump was and always was wrong.. they only think they can do at this point is play obstinate or just play dumb and pretend they where in on it the whole time.. It is not for anyone else because everyone else sees the truth.. these people are usually just trying to dilute themselves as they have over built themselves up in their own heads and can not improve themselves from taking and accepting a loss.. no they just argue ad nauseum till the other person just get tired (which is why you can have the argument, as the smart people the people who shut up one or two days in are my target audience. the rest of you is a practice in patience and a demonstration to my target audience that I am indeed making a honest effort to change, so the rest of you can change and the expression of personal ideas and thoughts are not automatically met with anger and hostility.
21) then there is you... you are still stuck on the idea this is about the machine or how it worked or does not work. You are the only one who has failed to make the transition from this topic to what the purpose of the thread was. Do you now understand the purpose of the thread
Again not about the machine but about how you argue is the problem.
If so please in 20 words or less tell me what my intended purpose of the thread is.
I am the Infantry. I am my country’s strength in war, her deterrent in peace. I am the heart of the fight… wherever, whenever. I carry America’s faith and honor against her enemies. I am the Queen of Battle. I am what my country expects me to be, the best trained Soldier in the world. In the race for victory, I am swift, determined, and courageous, armed with a fierce will to win. Never will I fail my country’s trust. Always I fight on…through the foe, to the objective, to triumph overall. If necessary, I will fight to my death. By my steadfast courage, I have won more than 200 years of freedom. I yield not to weakness, to hunger, to cowardice, to fatigue, to superior odds, For I am mentally tough, physically strong, and morally straight. I forsake not, my country, my mission, my comrades, my sacred duty. I am relentless. I am always there, now and forever. I AM THE INFANTRY! FOLLOW ME!
(August 1, 2019 at 1:33 pm)Drich Wrote: why do I need a passing grade when I can already make a very comfortable living at manipulating physics? not only that I can also use it to fool a bunch of people who supposedly all had passing grades in it to the point where 2 weeks later they are just now catching up. why do I need people o tell me what is freely available to anyone who knows how to learn and think for themselves? Again your understanding of education is what was used to propogate how the world was flat. why would i use this model of education 1000 years later? because group think told me so? sorry group think I will spend my money on other thing besides voluntary indoctrination.
if it is not rigged then you can provide me with an example to show I have breached my intended parameters. So that I may reset and strive to again achieve my goal.
Because you are a known inveterate liar who thinks truth is what you can make people believe? Because you are a unscrupulous poser who says anything that seems to your delusional self to enable you to dominate a conversation with your better? Because you are so delusion about your own image that you think shit smells fresh and taste sweet just because it is you who excreted it?
whoa I've just proven those things LITERALLY about you just now with in the last two or three posts, and you have the nerve to assigned that moniker to me without ANY evidence?
You are following the pattern I outlined in the What happened thread? to a tee.. You and group think buddies realize you can't win and you spend the last three or four days calling me stupid, then when that fails you shift to liar.. what next racist? psychopath? misogynist? what other names do you guys use to hide the fact you have no evidence of anything you claim, you just want to silence people whom you can not otherwise address.
August 1, 2019 at 1:50 pm (This post was last modified: August 1, 2019 at 1:50 pm by The Grand Nudger.)
Oh man, think of all the atheists that just died and went to hell on account of you being too busy fluffing yourself.
I am the Infantry. I am my country’s strength in war, her deterrent in peace. I am the heart of the fight… wherever, whenever. I carry America’s faith and honor against her enemies. I am the Queen of Battle. I am what my country expects me to be, the best trained Soldier in the world. In the race for victory, I am swift, determined, and courageous, armed with a fierce will to win. Never will I fail my country’s trust. Always I fight on…through the foe, to the objective, to triumph overall. If necessary, I will fight to my death. By my steadfast courage, I have won more than 200 years of freedom. I yield not to weakness, to hunger, to cowardice, to fatigue, to superior odds, For I am mentally tough, physically strong, and morally straight. I forsake not, my country, my mission, my comrades, my sacred duty. I am relentless. I am always there, now and forever. I AM THE INFANTRY! FOLLOW ME!
August 1, 2019 at 1:50 pm (This post was last modified: August 1, 2019 at 1:51 pm by Drich.)
(August 1, 2019 at 1:37 pm)Gae Bolga Wrote: All the souls that could have been saved if you’d spent the time it took you to write that post just a bit better.
Not sure the big guys gonna look kindly on your time here at af, bud.
again.. not my mission..
I am not here to save any one. we have had this discussion every time you want to paint me as the typical christian preacher.
I am here to provide people with the truth and answer the questions they may have about God. or the bible.
I do not care what you choose, i simply want to provide people with the truth so when they make a decision whatever it is it is based on the truth of who and what God is and has done.
(August 1, 2019 at 1:45 pm)Gae Bolga Wrote: Wasted time, unsaved souls.
More dead hellbound atheists, who didn’t get to see gods truth on account of your ego being your mission here.
I am the Infantry. I am my country’s strength in war, her deterrent in peace. I am the heart of the fight… wherever, whenever. I carry America’s faith and honor against her enemies. I am the Queen of Battle. I am what my country expects me to be, the best trained Soldier in the world. In the race for victory, I am swift, determined, and courageous, armed with a fierce will to win. Never will I fail my country’s trust. Always I fight on…through the foe, to the objective, to triumph overall. If necessary, I will fight to my death. By my steadfast courage, I have won more than 200 years of freedom. I yield not to weakness, to hunger, to cowardice, to fatigue, to superior odds, For I am mentally tough, physically strong, and morally straight. I forsake not, my country, my mission, my comrades, my sacred duty. I am relentless. I am always there, now and forever. I AM THE INFANTRY! FOLLOW ME!
(August 1, 2019 at 1:24 pm)downbeatplumb Wrote: Is it our fault that you write incoherently.
sorry no.... one of you made the error and everyoe without reading assumed the same thing and you just blindly jumped on. that's how it works here.. look at desse's last post, he made another mistake, and you all started to jump on with his mistake. blindly and with out much consideration or thought
I still don't know what you meant to say.
You don't put ideas across with any clarity.
August 1, 2019 at 2:00 pm (This post was last modified: August 1, 2019 at 2:01 pm by Drich.)
(August 1, 2019 at 1:50 pm)Gae Bolga Wrote: Oh man, think of all the atheists that just died and went to hell on account of you being too busy fluffing yourself.
can't help anyone if I have no credibility. Atheist crede comes in the way of being able to logically and scientifically push back a few dozen faith haters for weeks at a time without skipping out on every chance to correct and instruct with credible and imperial evidence/scientific proof.
The only people this does not impress are the misotheist who hate God and anything to do with God and will say whatever they think will disrupt or destroy the credibility of one working for and with God.
Discernment Atheist have it Misotheist who think they are atheist do not.
While misotheist tend to be the most opinionated and vocal atheist think and read and review.
Atheist come to you on the side seeking the truth misotheist blindly group think arguements despite the truth of science and technology.
So why do i deal with misotheist? in exchange for showing off how prepared I really am I can trip them up often enough to allow me to seek in little sermons everybody has access to planting the seed that will one day take root and crack the hardest of hearts.
(August 1, 2019 at 1:51 pm)Gae Bolga Wrote: More dead hellbound atheists, who didn’t get to see gods truth on account of your ego being your mission here.
says a misotheist who had put his best effort in an only recourse is to plead to my vanity. Sorry Gae.. I'm not here for me, could leave if I wanted to. Have to still till it is done.
(August 1, 2019 at 1:27 pm)Drich Wrote:
sorry no.... one of you made the error and everyoe without reading assumed the same thing and you just blindly jumped on. that's how it works here.. look at desse's last post, he made another mistake, and you all started to jump on with his mistake. blindly and with out much consideration or thought
I still don't know what you meant to say.
You don't put ideas across with any clarity.
Religion in all of human history worldwide has lots of pretty stories of empathy and conquest, but no religion in the world has any patent on human behavior. There is no clarity in wishful thinking.
"I wish I wouldn't die", is what all humans think, and I don't want to die either. But I don't fool myself into thinking old mythology, holy books, holy people or fictional claims of spirits or deities or god/s are going to stop my finite existence.
August 1, 2019 at 2:03 pm (This post was last modified: August 1, 2019 at 2:08 pm by Anomalocaris.)
(August 1, 2019 at 1:48 pm)Drich Wrote:
(August 1, 2019 at 1:38 pm)Anomalocaris Wrote: Because you are a known inveterate liar who thinks truth is what you can make people believe? Because you are a unscrupulous poser who says anything that seems to your delusional self to enable you to dominate a conversation with your better? Because you are so delusion about your own image that you think shit smells fresh and taste sweet just because it is you who excreted it?
whoa I've just proven those things LITERALLY about you just now with in the last two or three posts, and you have the nerve to assigned that moniker to me without ANY evidence?
You are following the pattern I outlined in the What happened thread? to a tee.. You and group think buddies realize you can't win and you spend the last three or four days calling me stupid, then when that fails you shift to liar.. what next racist? psychopath? misogynist? what other names do you guys use to hide the fact you have no evidence of anything you claim, you just want to silence people whom you can not otherwise address.
You lack the basic equipment required to understand even when we address you at a level suitable for those who retained only some coherent memory of the contents of a basic high school education. Yet you seem to be entirely satisfied with, rather than embarrassed by as you should be, your state of ill-equipedness for our discussion, and attempt to pass off bullshit as your continued contribution to the discussion. So we can only take you for what you are, an ignoramus so dumb and clueless you can't conceive of why you should learn.
As to what we will call you next? That depends on your behavior, oblivious as you might always be about what such behavior says about your personality and character. Your posts certainly have provided evidence in the past that you might possibly fit some of those other epithets which you recommended above. Would you like to contribute more evidence and make the diagnosis definitive?
