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August 2, 2019 at 1:28 pm (This post was last modified: August 2, 2019 at 1:29 pm by Drich.)
(August 2, 2019 at 11:54 am)Mathilda Wrote:
(August 2, 2019 at 11:47 am)Drich Wrote: I know how just about everything in the modern world works. not an expert.. just have a general idea.
Like many people then.
no, maybe general idea idea wrong. I seem to have a superior knowledge f now nuclear reactors and geothermal plants work especially when compared to the people here. if you will remember you guys took almost 2 weeks with some of you still not understanding how and why my machine is not a pmm
Don't look now but here is me admitting i was wrong again!
(August 2, 2019 at 1:04 pm)Gae Bolga Wrote: You’ve already been quoted, directly, claiming that it was.
Which one of you two assholes should we believe, Drich?
Thing is Drich, if I someone here was to tell you that they were an engineer and / or a scientist, we all know that you'd immediately go on about how they aren't very good at their profession. So why even bother telling you this?
This thread exists, drich. Not only does your post exist in this thread, the person quoting your post and even color coding it for you....exists in this thread.
What would a quote of a quote of a post, all in the same thread, add?
Nothing. Now go play with your pmm.
I am the Infantry. I am my country’s strength in war, her deterrent in peace. I am the heart of the fight… wherever, whenever. I carry America’s faith and honor against her enemies. I am the Queen of Battle. I am what my country expects me to be, the best trained Soldier in the world. In the race for victory, I am swift, determined, and courageous, armed with a fierce will to win. Never will I fail my country’s trust. Always I fight on…through the foe, to the objective, to triumph overall. If necessary, I will fight to my death. By my steadfast courage, I have won more than 200 years of freedom. I yield not to weakness, to hunger, to cowardice, to fatigue, to superior odds, For I am mentally tough, physically strong, and morally straight. I forsake not, my country, my mission, my comrades, my sacred duty. I am relentless. I am always there, now and forever. I AM THE INFANTRY! FOLLOW ME!
this is me over a week ago explain how my pmm was not a pmm, but yo where all too dumb to figure out why:
You know, honestly I did not intentionally put this fatal flaw into my perpetual motion machine, but one legit flaw, does exist and not one of you has done enough reading on a subject we are discussing to even hint around it..
This shows you how bull shite most of you are when it comes to discussing a subject, in that most of you will not even try to familiarize yourself with a topic you feel comfortable enough discussing... yet here I am video after video link after link and source after source showing you most of you are clue less and not on swing donk among you bother to do even the most basic of research. yet you criticize me for researching?!?! what close minded monkey let return to caves philosophy is that???
To be a true perpetual motion machine it can not have a fuel source. You f-ing dim wits where muddling around it when you where harping on about the second law of thermal dynamics.. which is why i wanted you to explain what that law was because if you had you would have identified the earths heat as a outside power source which does not fit the definition of a perpetual motion machine.
I left myself wide open for what? 3 or 4 days now with a legit way to shut Me up topically, and not one of you where smart enough to find and use that option... rather I want each of you to look at the bull shit you posted and be ashamed of yourself for calling anyone stupid if you yourself did not find this key.
Shame on you for using closed minded tactics of trying to ad hoc kill the messenger rather than scientifically address the content of the message.
This is me severl days later thinking I was talking to the slowest member of the board because at that time he still though i was claiming to have made a pmm depite my big reveal in the above post 197. so this is explaining to him how I set you morons up to proove you not only knew nothing about PmMs but did not care to even learn enough to identify the scientific facts and modern tech you all claimed was impossible/reason for my machine not to work:
here is the failure analsis: post 77 https://atheistforums.org/thread-59442-page-8.html
one last attempt.. Mathilda maybe you should read this too or anyone else who thinks any of this was about a PMM.
I am going to time line in an outline form said events in hopes you will finally understand what all of this was about. if at the end of this you feel you still need to argue the 2nd law or how you used the word fuel, then never mind you win I'm done lets move on to the next one.
1) over a week ago I noticed no activity in the christian discussion portion of the web site for some time..
2) I looked up some old posts including my 1st
3) in it I got 2 pages of people bragging on how their superior atheist minds would send me home crying to my preacher in side a week. before i could respond to one post.
4) it's been 12,000 posts give or take since then..
4a) meaning they did not send me anywhere in fact i stayed and many left because I was not kicked out and they could not defeat my religious arguments.
4b) spin that any way you like but acknowledge the fact is I am here and they left because they could not defeat my arguments and did not want to see them and management would not ban me.
5) I however realized this was not true for all christians. over 2/3s of the christian members left at the first of the year. because they feel legit discussions have devolved into mean spirited personal attacks.. really nasty stuff. not just in matters of faith but through out the website christians felt like they where attacked in areas of the website most of you go to relax and let your shields down. I was asked to leave with them in protest to get the upper management to take note and maybe clean this place up. (they have since moved to another site from last I heard)
6) It has been my observation the situation has devolved since then, so I decided to prove the situation so I wrote the thread "so what happened" Then explain what I was dong in the OP of that thread..
6a) surprisingly 4 honest and very open thread came out of it and I was given hope. where 4 members wrote christian based questions in their own threads to which I answered as promised.
7) then someone said something about a PMM and I felt challenged to come up with one
8) so I looked up the definition to define the parameters of my build and it's scope.. So i googled Perpetual motion and when you do you get this from google: Dictionary per·pet·u·al mo·tion /pərˈpeCH(əw)əl ˈmōSHən/ noun
a state in which movement or action is or appears to be continuous and unceasing. "the planet is in perpetual motion"
the motion of a hypothetical machine which, once activated, would run forever unless subject to an external force or to wear. "the age-old quest for the secret of perpetual motion"
9) so i set off to think what could run indefinitely Or till it wore out or it was physically stopped. because again that is the definition I worked with.
10)thought about this for a few minutes and just saw a youtube video on this 7.5 mile hole that had to stop drilling because it was too hot.. then infused this with a nuclear power plant, where instead of using nuclear fuel rods we use the earth own heat to boil water and spin turbines. again all of this is current use technology. if not with a nuclear plant tech, tech was borrowed from current geothermal plants, and combined. the only difference being is a current geothermal plant uses current thin spots in the crust and endless amounts of water..
my idea makes any part of the world a potential geothermal plant that uses no commodities to run everything is recycled, nothing is diminished and can potentially run till as the defination say parts fail or it is shut off..
10a) again all of this was not about the machine but to demonstrate how facts are ignored and how you guys would favor personal insults over trying to dicuss the tech.. because again I picked this because all three major technologies needed to make this work has been in use since the 1970s and it will be easy to source real facts you can not argue.
11) then I posted this and one day in, I got my first hint of entropy as being a problem (heat extraction) So this time not remembering I only looked up perpetual motion I looked up perpetual motion machine! which is a whole different definition:
Perpetual motion is motion of bodies that continues indefinitely. A perpetual motion machine is a hypothetical machine that can do work indefinitely without an energy source. This kind of machine is impossible, as it would violate the first or second law of thermodynamics.
12) so i look up the 2nd law again and see the entropy and identify the hole 7.5 miles down and the heat generated by the earth as a heat source as a fuel, which is why the second law was never broken meaning my machine is just another power station and not a PMM.
13) then I thought it has been a day and not one of you point out that my station uses the earth's core heat as a external fuel source, and therefore disqualifies it as a PMM.
14) My original game plan was to demonstrate how you guys ignore facts to try and win arguments through personal insult and the destruction of the messenger rather than even discuss the message in most instances, and here we are at this point one day in and it is obvious to me not one of you has even looked up the PMM definition, because again right in the defination fuel is identified as my achilles heel.
15) so I decided to have some fun and really let you swallow the bait wholly and completely so when I set the hook every single last one of you who participated in this conversation could be identified as guilty of not seeking truth or fact but only a cursory understanding to try and turn this into a 15:1 name calling contest. so I let you all go for 4 more days of personal insults and everything my op said you people had devolved into..
16) then on day 5 like always at some point you all start repeating yourselves in some vain attempt to throw enough poop on the wall to see what sticks.
16a once you all start repeating each other ideas like their your own I can always tell that then end of any intelligent thought.. the rest is mob rules and then the lowest level of member comes out.. the zombie and or buzzard comes out.. you know the type those who only comment in vile and venom once all of the heavy lifting was done.. they only generally offer one or two liners and then sink back into the swamp.. The type who always has to have the last word even if it is a emoticon or sme meme..
17) So rather than let the zombie take the thread I set the hook on that bait that you all swallowed 4 days back.
18) the smart ones immediately saw what I did and shut down everything right away. no more arguments no more mean slanderous thoughts, just silence. I'd say 1/2 to 2/3s of the mob saw the truth in what I said and did and scurried back to lick their wounds.
19) then the proud who maybe smart felt like they needed to test to see if i was legit, so i got some push back but ultimately they shut up when i started pointing back to post 197 and prior discussions on fuel and entropy.
20) Next what is left are the ones who just can not accept that I could fool them so badly they are still trying to fling shit (personal insult and or red herring and or straw man arguments to try and save face. despite everything I did and said.. they walk back arguments to a point where they felt they had a strong point and try and build another one. and when the fail they walk back a little more or the take their last best attempt and try and redefine it... For that kind of wicked person is the reason I let them and the rest of you go 5 days... there is no walking back after 5 days because EVERYTHING you/they said from jump was and always was wrong.. they only think they can do at this point is play obstinate or just play dumb and pretend they where in on it the whole time.. It is not for anyone else because everyone else sees the truth.. these people are usually just trying to dilute themselves as they have over built themselves up in their own heads and can not improve themselves from taking and accepting a loss.. no they just argue ad nauseum till the other person just get tired (which is why you can have the argument, as the smart people the people who shut up one or two days in are my target audience. the rest of you is a practice in patience and a demonstration to my target audience that I am indeed making a honest effort to change, so the rest of you can change and the expression of personal ideas and thoughts are not automatically met with anger and hostility.
21) then there is you... you are still stuck on the idea this is about the machine or how it worked or does not work. You are the only one who has failed to make the transition from this topic to what the purpose of the thread was. Do you now understand the purpose of the thread
Again not about the machine but about how you argue is the problem.
If so please in 20 words or less tell me what my intended purpose of the thread is.
what is funny? it's been two weeks and you mr smart guy is behind dessee in the conversation.. or are you just trolling because you have failed everyother way and this is all you have left to save face? to pretend it was two weeks ago and i am still trying to make a point but you figured it out!
(August 2, 2019 at 1:24 pm)Gae Bolga Wrote: Got a patent for a pmm?
Boy, that’s a whole lot of bullshit just to further prove that you’re full of shit, huh.
Awfully inefficient, though. You don’t really have to do anything else to convince the board that your full of shit.
Maybe that’s your real pmm.
I am the Infantry. I am my country’s strength in war, her deterrent in peace. I am the heart of the fight… wherever, whenever. I carry America’s faith and honor against her enemies. I am the Queen of Battle. I am what my country expects me to be, the best trained Soldier in the world. In the race for victory, I am swift, determined, and courageous, armed with a fierce will to win. Never will I fail my country’s trust. Always I fight on…through the foe, to the objective, to triumph overall. If necessary, I will fight to my death. By my steadfast courage, I have won more than 200 years of freedom. I yield not to weakness, to hunger, to cowardice, to fatigue, to superior odds, For I am mentally tough, physically strong, and morally straight. I forsake not, my country, my mission, my comrades, my sacred duty. I am relentless. I am always there, now and forever. I AM THE INFANTRY! FOLLOW ME!
this is me over a week ago explain how my pmm was not a pmm, but yo where all too dumb to figure out why:
You know, honestly I did not intentionally put this fatal flaw into my perpetual motion machine, but one legit flaw, does exist and not one of you has done enough reading on a subject we are discussing to even hint around it..
This shows you how bull shite most of you are when it comes to discussing a subject, in that most of you will not even try to familiarize yourself with a topic you feel comfortable enough discussing... yet here I am video after video link after link and source after source showing you most of you are clue less and not on swing donk among you bother to do even the most basic of research. yet you criticize me for researching?!?! what close minded monkey let return to caves philosophy is that???
To be a true perpetual motion machine it can not have a fuel source. You f-ing dim wits where muddling around it when you where harping on about the second law of thermal dynamics.. which is why i wanted you to explain what that law was because if you had you would have identified the earths heat as a outside power source which does not fit the definition of a perpetual motion machine.
I left myself wide open for what? 3 or 4 days now with a legit way to shut Me up topically, and not one of you where smart enough to find and use that option... rather I want each of you to look at the bull shit you posted and be ashamed of yourself for calling anyone stupid if you yourself did not find this key.
Shame on you for using closed minded tactics of trying to ad hoc kill the messenger rather than scientifically address the content of the message.
This is me severl days later thinking I was talking to the slowest member of the board because at that time he still though i was claiming to have made a pmm depite my big reveal in the above post 197. so this is explaining to him how I set you morons up to proove you not only knew nothing about PmMs but did not care to even learn enough to identify the scientific facts and modern tech you all claimed was impossible/reason for my machine not to work:
here is the failure analsis: post 77 https://atheistforums.org/thread-59442-page-8.html
one last attempt.. Mathilda maybe you should read this too or anyone else who thinks any of this was about a PMM.
I am going to time line in an outline form said events in hopes you will finally understand what all of this was about. if at the end of this you feel you still need to argue the 2nd law or how you used the word fuel, then never mind you win I'm done lets move on to the next one.
1) over a week ago I noticed no activity in the christian discussion portion of the web site for some time..
2) I looked up some old posts including my 1st
3) in it I got 2 pages of people bragging on how their superior atheist minds would send me home crying to my preacher in side a week. before i could respond to one post.
4) it's been 12,000 posts give or take since then..
4a) meaning they did not send me anywhere in fact i stayed and many left because I was not kicked out and they could not defeat my religious arguments.
4b) spin that any way you like but acknowledge the fact is I am here and they left because they could not defeat my arguments and did not want to see them and management would not ban me.
5) I however realized this was not true for all christians. over 2/3s of the christian members left at the first of the year. because they feel legit discussions have devolved into mean spirited personal attacks.. really nasty stuff. not just in matters of faith but through out the website christians felt like they where attacked in areas of the website most of you go to relax and let your shields down. I was asked to leave with them in protest to get the upper management to take note and maybe clean this place up. (they have since moved to another site from last I heard)
6) It has been my observation the situation has devolved since then, so I decided to prove the situation so I wrote the thread "so what happened" Then explain what I was dong in the OP of that thread..
6a) surprisingly 4 honest and very open thread came out of it and I was given hope. where 4 members wrote christian based questions in their own threads to which I answered as promised.
7) then someone said something about a PMM and I felt challenged to come up with one
8) so I looked up the definition to define the parameters of my build and it's scope.. So i googled Perpetual motion and when you do you get this from google: Dictionary per·pet·u·al mo·tion /pərˈpeCH(əw)əl ˈmōSHən/ noun
a state in which movement or action is or appears to be continuous and unceasing. "the planet is in perpetual motion"
the motion of a hypothetical machine which, once activated, would run forever unless subject to an external force or to wear. "the age-old quest for the secret of perpetual motion"
9) so i set off to think what could run indefinitely Or till it wore out or it was physically stopped. because again that is the definition I worked with.
10)thought about this for a few minutes and just saw a youtube video on this 7.5 mile hole that had to stop drilling because it was too hot.. then infused this with a nuclear power plant, where instead of using nuclear fuel rods we use the earth own heat to boil water and spin turbines. again all of this is current use technology. if not with a nuclear plant tech, tech was borrowed from current geothermal plants, and combined. the only difference being is a current geothermal plant uses current thin spots in the crust and endless amounts of water..
my idea makes any part of the world a potential geothermal plant that uses no commodities to run everything is recycled, nothing is diminished and can potentially run till as the defination say parts fail or it is shut off..
10a) again all of this was not about the machine but to demonstrate how facts are ignored and how you guys would favor personal insults over trying to dicuss the tech.. because again I picked this because all three major technologies needed to make this work has been in use since the 1970s and it will be easy to source real facts you can not argue.
11) then I posted this and one day in, I got my first hint of entropy as being a problem (heat extraction) So this time not remembering I only looked up perpetual motion I looked up perpetual motion machine! which is a whole different definition:
Perpetual motion is motion of bodies that continues indefinitely. A perpetual motion machine is a hypothetical machine that can do work indefinitely without an energy source. This kind of machine is impossible, as it would violate the first or second law of thermodynamics.
12) so i look up the 2nd law again and see the entropy and identify the hole 7.5 miles down and the heat generated by the earth as a heat source as a fuel, which is why the second law was never broken meaning my machine is just another power station and not a PMM.
13) then I thought it has been a day and not one of you point out that my station uses the earth's core heat as a external fuel source, and therefore disqualifies it as a PMM.
14) My original game plan was to demonstrate how you guys ignore facts to try and win arguments through personal insult and the destruction of the messenger rather than even discuss the message in most instances, and here we are at this point one day in and it is obvious to me not one of you has even looked up the PMM definition, because again right in the defination fuel is identified as my achilles heel.
15) so I decided to have some fun and really let you swallow the bait wholly and completely so when I set the hook every single last one of you who participated in this conversation could be identified as guilty of not seeking truth or fact but only a cursory understanding to try and turn this into a 15:1 name calling contest. so I let you all go for 4 more days of personal insults and everything my op said you people had devolved into..
16) then on day 5 like always at some point you all start repeating yourselves in some vain attempt to throw enough poop on the wall to see what sticks.
16a once you all start repeating each other ideas like their your own I can always tell that then end of any intelligent thought.. the rest is mob rules and then the lowest level of member comes out.. the zombie and or buzzard comes out.. you know the type those who only comment in vile and venom once all of the heavy lifting was done.. they only generally offer one or two liners and then sink back into the swamp.. The type who always has to have the last word even if it is a emoticon or sme meme..
17) So rather than let the zombie take the thread I set the hook on that bait that you all swallowed 4 days back.
18) the smart ones immediately saw what I did and shut down everything right away. no more arguments no more mean slanderous thoughts, just silence. I'd say 1/2 to 2/3s of the mob saw the truth in what I said and did and scurried back to lick their wounds.
19) then the proud who maybe smart felt like they needed to test to see if i was legit, so i got some push back but ultimately they shut up when i started pointing back to post 197 and prior discussions on fuel and entropy.
20) Next what is left are the ones who just can not accept that I could fool them so badly they are still trying to fling shit (personal insult and or red herring and or straw man arguments to try and save face. despite everything I did and said.. they walk back arguments to a point where they felt they had a strong point and try and build another one. and when the fail they walk back a little more or the take their last best attempt and try and redefine it... For that kind of wicked person is the reason I let them and the rest of you go 5 days... there is no walking back after 5 days because EVERYTHING you/they said from jump was and always was wrong.. they only think they can do at this point is play obstinate or just play dumb and pretend they where in on it the whole time.. It is not for anyone else because everyone else sees the truth.. these people are usually just trying to dilute themselves as they have over built themselves up in their own heads and can not improve themselves from taking and accepting a loss.. no they just argue ad nauseum till the other person just get tired (which is why you can have the argument, as the smart people the people who shut up one or two days in are my target audience. the rest of you is a practice in patience and a demonstration to my target audience that I am indeed making a honest effort to change, so the rest of you can change and the expression of personal ideas and thoughts are not automatically met with anger and hostility.
21) then there is you... you are still stuck on the idea this is about the machine or how it worked or does not work. You are the only one who has failed to make the transition from this topic to what the purpose of the thread was. Do you now understand the purpose of the thread
Again not about the machine but about how you argue is the problem.
If so please in 20 words or less tell me what my intended purpose of the thread is.
what is funny? it's been two weeks and you mr smart guy is behind dessee in the conversation.. or are you just trolling because you have failed everyother way and this is all you have left to save face? to pretend it was two weeks ago and i am still trying to make a point but you figured it out!
I see the insults are tapering off as mentioned in the truce offering.
Not one person called a fruit cup.
“If you are the smartest person in the room, then you are in the wrong room.” — Confucius
August 2, 2019 at 1:50 pm (This post was last modified: August 2, 2019 at 1:52 pm by downbeatplumb.
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(August 2, 2019 at 9:19 am)Drich Wrote:
(August 1, 2019 at 1:58 pm)downbeatplumb Wrote: I still don't know what you meant to say.
You don't put ideas across with any clarity.
Sorry no... means I'm sorry you are wrong about writing incoherently. I can say this because 20 other people read the same posts and have no isse responding topically when they want to.
One of you made the error means one of you made the mistake in assuming that i did not know fuel was the reason my machine was not PMM
And everyone without reading assumed the same thing and you just blindly jumped on. means what it says they assumed that the first person who made the mistake was correct because in your minds I am always wrong. This is what I identify is group think. one of you makes a charge or assumes wrong and the rest follow without thought or evidence.
Desse made the mistake assuming I did not know what closed loop meant in relation to power generation. He probably did a simple generic google search and a general electrical definition.. as he not being a legit engineer simply did not know any better. EI closed loop is a generic term and it means several different things in several different fields.. So rather than you verifying for yourself, you assumed he was right and jumped on his band wagon.. So when I made him look the fool by providing a quote directly referencing the term closed loop in a nuclear power generation article, you where shown to also be a non thinking group thinker.
get it now?
So you are saying that you never said you had a perpetual motion machine.
I am sure I saw you say you had invented one.
So to clarify the machine you spoke of is in no way and could never be referred to as a perpetual motion machine by anyone with any knowledge.
Then why did you defend the idea?
(August 2, 2019 at 9:19 am)Drich Wrote: So in a sense old sport... there is your perpetual motion machine. Just make it a closed loop system. Pump in cold water from a seal reservoir, down 7.5 miles have the water flash to steam allow the vapor to come back up as high pressure gas, run it through a turbine ,then a condenser then back to the radiator, and repeat.
August 2, 2019 at 1:51 pm (This post was last modified: August 2, 2019 at 1:52 pm by Drich.)
(August 2, 2019 at 1:30 pm)Mathilda Wrote: Thing is Drich, if I someone here was to tell you that they were an engineer and / or a scientist, we all know that you'd immediately go on about how they aren't very good at their profession. So why even bother telling you this?
You are so predictable.
I would only do so with absolute proof. like with dessee..
He made 1/2 dozen wrong assumptions/charges and was proovn wrong each and every time and his only response (not a failure analsis) but an i said so dialog.
again dear heart title means nothing without substance. you all had 5 days to silence me with science logic and reason and couldn't. and when i showed you how you do attack people you all just double down on ignorance. So even if there was a schooled engineer here he would have thrown everything out of the widow to speak to me as you did. and if he did that and I could show his lack of knowledge and discipline with absolute scientific proof as I did with deesee, then his pedigree means shite. Which is why real engineers BUILD discussions on facts truths and data they can recall and point to... not name call and scowl and hide behind a pedigree when asked for a citation.
(August 2, 2019 at 1:31 pm)arewethereyet Wrote: Who agreed to Drich's terms so that this nonsense is still going...on and on and on?
none of you did that is WHY it is going on and on. I do not have to play fair or by the rule I purposed which would have had me walk away days ago.
See how much forethought goes into snarky comments?
