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RE: Pedophilia
July 30, 2019 at 6:28 pm
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(July 30, 2019 at 6:24 pm)LadyForCamus Wrote: It’s not necessarily about punishment. It’s about keeping innocent people safe. Yes, I agree that we need to keep innocent people safe. But the reason that I posted this under philosophy is to tackle how we could improve prevention, not necessarily present and practical measures.
(July 30, 2019 at 6:25 pm)arewethereyet Wrote: (July 30, 2019 at 6:19 pm)notimportant1234 Wrote: Yes, I know that we can't identify possible offenders, and even if we could it will take years before someone could implement such a system( given the usual opposing stance of politicians to change). What I'm thinking that we would not apply so much stigma and blame ( I think we can both agree that such things you don't chose) we could reduce the number of victims. After all, we are just the bitches of nature, in my opinion we can minimize that if we change the way we tackle this sort of problems.
You can say that I have an abnormal desire to help the purpatretors, but I think that just applying punishment is not helping that much.
Are you saying we should be nicer to people who take advantage of kids and teens in a sexual manner?
I am not getting a good feeling about where this is really going.
An abnormal desire to help pedophiles and those who engage in sexual activity, or the grooming toward it, sounds like you may be quite invested in how society reacts.
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Edit: I started this because I didn't agree of how people want to solve this problem. It is not about empathy, I score average on that on personality tests. But how does raising the penalty help the victim? It helps us, because we feel better for ourselves, we punished the offender, isn't that nice? But the victim is still raped and maybe dead. Don't tell me that a rapist and killer will just change his mind because of a higher penalty, this is not a rational decision after all.
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RE: Pedophilia
July 30, 2019 at 6:36 pm
I really, REALLY can't get behind a plan that calls for eliminating the stigma associated with child rape. This isn't some sexual peccadillo like cosplay or finishing shagging that aubergine before my wife gets home. You seem to be saying that the sexual abuse of a child is something that society should claim isn't all that bad.
Nope.
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RE: Pedophilia
July 30, 2019 at 6:39 pm
(July 30, 2019 at 6:36 pm)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote: I really, REALLY can't get behind a plan that calls for eliminating the stigma associated with child rape. This isn't some sexual peccadillo like cosplay or finishing shagging that aubergine before my wife gets home. You seem to be saying that the sexual abuse of a child is something that society should claim isn't all that bad.
Nope.
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Yeah, the remark about getting rid of the stigma sent a bit of a chill down my spine.
I sincerely hope it's because I listen to so much True Crime...but I don't think that's it.
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RE: Pedophilia
July 30, 2019 at 6:43 pm
(July 30, 2019 at 6:39 pm)arewethereyet Wrote: (July 30, 2019 at 6:36 pm)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote: I really, REALLY can't get behind a plan that calls for eliminating the stigma associated with child rape. This isn't some sexual peccadillo like cosplay or finishing shagging that aubergine before my wife gets home. You seem to be saying that the sexual abuse of a child is something that society should claim isn't all that bad.
Nope.
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Yeah, the remark about getting rid of the stigma sent a bit of a chill down my spine.
I sincerely hope it's because I listen to so much True Crime...but I don't think that's it.
No, I'm not saying that we should say that raping someone is not that bad, I'm saying that we should encourage people that identify as pedophilles to seek help.
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RE: Pedophilia
July 30, 2019 at 6:45 pm
(July 30, 2019 at 6:43 pm)notimportant1234 Wrote: (July 30, 2019 at 6:39 pm)arewethereyet Wrote: Yeah, the remark about getting rid of the stigma sent a bit of a chill down my spine.
I sincerely hope it's because I listen to so much True Crime...but I don't think that's it.
No, I'm not saying that we should say that raping someone is not that bad, I'm saying that we should encourage people that identify as pedophilles to seek help.
Okay this has now changed to raping 'someone'. It's not just about pedophilia.
Just as I thought...this isn't going anywhere good.
Sorry - sexual abuse/assault doesn't get a pass or a pat on the head, or a court appointed therapist.
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RE: Pedophilia
July 30, 2019 at 6:49 pm
(July 30, 2019 at 6:45 pm)arewethereyet Wrote: (July 30, 2019 at 6:43 pm)notimportant1234 Wrote: No, I'm not saying that we should say that raping someone is not that bad, I'm saying that we should encourage people that identify as pedophilles to seek help.
Okay this has now changed to raping 'someone'. It's not just about pedophilia.
Just as I thought...this isn't going anywhere good.
Sorry - sexual abuse/assault doesn't get a pass or a pat on the head, or a court appointed therapist. Did you actually read my thread post?
But I will go on your line. What you are saying is that if you have the misfortune to be a pedophile I should just let you abuse a child and then condemn you to life in prison.
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RE: Pedophilia
July 30, 2019 at 6:50 pm
(July 30, 2019 at 6:43 pm)notimportant1234 Wrote: (July 30, 2019 at 6:39 pm)arewethereyet Wrote: Yeah, the remark about getting rid of the stigma sent a bit of a chill down my spine.
I sincerely hope it's because I listen to so much True Crime...but I don't think that's it.
No, I'm not saying that we should say that raping someone is not that bad, I'm saying that we should encourage people that identify as pedophilles to seek help.
Sure sounded like it:
Quote: What I'm thinking that we would not apply so much stigma and blame
If there is no stigma attached to child rape, what would compel a potential child rapist to seek help?
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RE: Pedophilia
July 30, 2019 at 6:52 pm
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Yeah, being societally horrified by rape, and specifically child rape, is not a stigma. It’s simply that the crime is horrifying. 100% of these people could prevent themselves from harming innocent people if they would simply walk into a hospital and say, “I’m fantasizing about hurting someone really bad. I don’t think I can stop myself. I need some help so that I don’t go through with it.” No one ever does that. I wonder why?
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RE: Pedophilia
July 30, 2019 at 6:56 pm
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(July 30, 2019 at 6:49 pm)notimportant1234 Wrote: (July 30, 2019 at 6:45 pm)arewethereyet Wrote: Okay this has now changed to raping 'someone'. It's not just about pedophilia.
Just as I thought...this isn't going anywhere good.
Sorry - sexual abuse/assault doesn't get a pass or a pat on the head, or a court appointed therapist. Did you actually read my thread post?
But I will go on your line. What you are saying is that if you have the misfortune to be a pedophile I should just let you abuse a child and then condemn you to life in prison. Um, no. Society doesn’t “let” me do anything. If I have the misfortune of being a pedophile, I can go ask for help at any time if I feel like I am not able to control my compulsions. If I choose to indulge my sexual compulsions at the expense of an innocent child rather than seek help, that’s on me. Not society.
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RE: Pedophilia
July 30, 2019 at 6:58 pm
(This post was last modified: July 30, 2019 at 7:06 pm by The Valkyrie.)
(July 30, 2019 at 6:49 pm)notimportant1234 Wrote: (July 30, 2019 at 6:45 pm)arewethereyet Wrote: Okay this has now changed to raping 'someone'. It's not just about pedophilia.
Just as I thought...this isn't going anywhere good.
Sorry - sexual abuse/assault doesn't get a pass or a pat on the head, or a court appointed therapist. Did you actually read my thread post?
But I will go on your line. What you are saying is that if you have the misfortune to be a pedophile I should just let you abuse a child and then condemn you to life in prison.
I’ve known of a number of cases (not known them personally) where people who have these urges have sought help themselves so they don’t act on them.
I also personally know a guy (not anymore) who was deported from NZ to Oz for molesting/assaulting a 12 year old boy.
The former I applaud wholeheartedly. The latter should have been locked up for a long time (apparently he’s free now).
Stigma for rapists/kiddy fiddlers should not be reduced.
But those who seek help for their urges before harming others should be applauded, not stigmatised.
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