In my country we had a recent event regarding a man that raped and killed a 15 years old girl that showed the incompetence of Romanian police and it's mysoginism. You can find an article about this written by the New York Times (search: romanian pedophile nyt on Google, 2nd link)

Now, a lot of people, including politicians, call for harsher penalties for pedophiles and rapists, but I think that harsher penalties just make us feel better for ourslevs and aren't actually helping the victims or preventing future casualties.

My take on this is to accept future pedophiles and repists in society before they make the crimes(it is obvious that if someone poses a threat to another person and we can't redress that behavior, we have to isolate them) in order to reduce the victims of such behaviors. As an example, you can take the purpatretors of such acts that are enlisted on sexual aggressor lists. This kind of measures don't really affect the number of victims and they apply social pressure on the purpatretors (a negative one), pressure which can lead to recidivism because the purpatretors feel that they can't do anything to redress themselves.

So maybe if we have a positive attitude and try to help them it would reduce the number of victims. I'm talking about prevention, the kind of situation that a friend of your can safely come to you and say, "I feel attracted to children" and you will try to help him.

What do you guys think about this? What is your take on this?

Any suggestions as to what it means to help them?

(July 30, 2019 at 5:28 pm)notimportant1234 Wrote: In my country we had a recent event regarding a man that raped and killed a 15 years old girl that showed the incompetence of Romanian police and it's mysoginism.

Not even hebephilia, at least in the US.

"Hebephilia is the sexual preference for early adolescent children (those roughly ages 11 to 14). Some evidence suggests that hebephilia is a distinct and discernable erotic age preference."

https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/basics/hebephilia

(July 30, 2019 at 5:32 pm)Gae Bolga Wrote: Any suggestions as to what it means to help them?

For starters, maybe a professional could help him develop some restraint behaviors, but I think it may be limited, given the failure of sexual orientation change( I base this assumption on the premise that pedophilia is considered diferent from normal sexual attraction just on the base of consensual sex, I may be ignorant about this). I saw some people that are trying to use virtual reality to treat PTSD, it may be extended to Pedophilia in my opinion.

@Gawdzilla Sama Yeah I know, but a lot of people still consider this to be pedophilia, soo this is what determined me to want to tackle this subject with you guys. Given that punishment doesn't help the victims( especially if they are dead).

Pedos should be locked up for the remainder of their lives, especially serial/repeat offenders.

Their needs to be early detection for the traits of pedophilia in place within communities but that’s not always possible and, even if it was, some people would slip through.

Counselling needs to be in place for identified offenders but to me the most important factor is protecting society and potential victims from the threat.

(July 30, 2019 at 5:50 pm)The Valkyrie Wrote: Pedos should be locked up for the remainder of their lives, especially serial/repeat offenders.

Their needs to be early detection for the traits of pedophilia in place within communities but that’s not always possible and, even if it was, some people would slip through.

Counselling needs to be in place for identified offenders but to me the most important factor is protecting society and potential victims from the threat.

Yes, but punishment is before the fact, what I want to discuss is how could we prevent this, at present, given the limited knowledge that we have on behavioral change( rationally, there is no point in locking a person if you know that you can change his bad behavior)

(July 30, 2019 at 5:53 pm)notimportant1234 Wrote:

(July 30, 2019 at 5:50 pm)The Valkyrie Wrote: Pedos should be locked up for the remainder of their lives, especially serial/repeat offenders.

Their needs to be early detection for the traits of pedophilia in place within communities but that’s not always possible and, even if it was, some people would slip through.

Counselling needs to be in place for identified offenders but to me the most important factor is protecting society and potential victims from the threat.

Yes, but punishment is before the fact, what I want to discuss is how could we prevent this, at present, given the limited knowledge that we have on behavioral change( rationally, there is no point in locking a person if you know that you can change his bad behavior)

At this point it’s difficult to identify aberrant behaviour in many individuals before the fact, and comprehensively identifying potential offenders in a community is practically impossible, especially with limited resources.

And families and/or groups often don’t want to report members who display such behaviour.

(July 30, 2019 at 6:03 pm)The Valkyrie Wrote:

(July 30, 2019 at 5:53 pm)notimportant1234 Wrote: Yes, but punishment is before the fact, what I want to discuss is how could we prevent this, at present, given the limited knowledge that we have on behavioral change( rationally, there is no point in locking a person if you know that you can change his bad behavior)

At this point it’s difficult to identify aberrant behaviour in many individuals before the fact, and comprehensively identifying potential offenders in a community is practically impossible, especially with limited resources.

And families and/or groups often don’t want to report members who display such behaviour.

Yes, I know that we can't identify possible offenders, and even if we could it will take years before someone could implement such a system( given the usual opposing stance of politicians to change). What I'm thinking that we would not apply so much stigma and blame ( I think we can both agree that such things you don't chose) we could reduce the number of victims. After all, we are just the bitches of nature, in my opinion we can minimize that if we change the way we tackle this sort of problems.

You can say that I have an abnormal desire to help the purpatretors, but I think that just applying punishment is not helping that much.

It’s not necessarily about punishment. It’s about keeping innocent people safe. Personally, I don’t have any empathy for people who target and victimize vulnerable people for their own sexual satisfaction. They know what they’re doing is wrong before they go through with it. I’m totally cool with harsh punishment that also acts as a protective mechanism against future assaults.

(July 30, 2019 at 6:19 pm)notimportant1234 Wrote:

(July 30, 2019 at 6:03 pm)The Valkyrie Wrote: At this point it’s difficult to identify aberrant behaviour in many individuals before the fact, and comprehensively identifying potential offenders in a community is practically impossible, especially with limited resources.

And families and/or groups often don’t want to report members who display such behaviour.

Yes, I know that we can't identify possible offenders, and even if we could it will take years before someone could implement such a system( given the usual opposing stance of politicians to change). What I'm thinking that we would not apply so much stigma and blame ( I think we can both agree that such things you don't chose) we could reduce the number of victims. After all, we are just the bitches of nature, in my opinion we can minimize that if we change the way we tackle this sort of problems.

You can say that I have an abnormal desire to help the purpatretors, but I think that just applying punishment is not helping that much.

Are you saying we should be nicer to people who take advantage of kids and teens in a sexual manner?

I am not getting a good feeling about where this is really going.  

An abnormal desire to help pedophiles and those who engage in sexual activity, or the grooming toward it, sounds like you may be quite invested in how society reacts.