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so it WAS Adam and Steve!
September 18, 2019 at 1:22 pm
Turns out famed skeletons of ‘Lovers of Modena’ were both dudes
Quote:Scientists have revealed that a pair of hand-holding skeletons, whose gesture of love has been preserved in mud for 1,500 years, were both male.
A new DNA test helped researchers determine the sex of the remains, dubbed the “Lovers of Modena.” This particular sex determination technique, using protein from tooth enamel, wasn’t available when the fossils were unearthed at the site of an ancient necropolis in 2009.
At the time, archaeologists assumed the two were man and woman. The set of bones thought to be female, who was found wearing a bronze ring, seemed locked in a centuries-long gaze with its partner.
“[They] evoke an uplifting tenderness,” Labate said, adding, “I have been involved in many digs, but I’ve never felt so moved.”
Researchers also say the couple was likely buried this way intentionally, which was not an unusual funeral practice during that time. The 6,000-year-old “Lovers of Valdaro,” dug up from a Neolithic tomb near Mantua in northern Italy, were discovered in a full-on embrace, as well as couples found at the Alepotrypa Cave in Greece; Diyarbakir, Turkey; and Staryi Tartas in Siberia — all of them presumed to be heterosexual pairings.
https://nypost.com/2019/09/12/turns-out-...dudes/amp/
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RE: so it WAS Adam and Steve!
September 18, 2019 at 1:30 pm
If they look at the pelvis they can determine gender.
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RE: so it WAS Adam and Steve!
September 18, 2019 at 2:24 pm
(September 18, 2019 at 1:30 pm)Gawdzilla Sama Wrote: If they look at the pelvis they can determine gender. I'm a bit surprised that these guys, being archaeologists, didn't spot that.
When I was 11, the teacher was showing us a skeleton, and mentioned that it was of a woman. At that age, I knew male from female if they had their meat on, but not by the bones. So I asked how one could tell. The teacher just looked at me like I had farted, and some kids in the class did as well. If he's going to bring it up, he should be able to explain it. It's not like I was being nasty or something.
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RE: so it WAS Adam and Steve!
September 18, 2019 at 2:39 pm
(September 18, 2019 at 2:24 pm)Fireball Wrote: . The teacher just looked at me like I had farted,
Yeah I know that look, especially the look like you farted right in her asshole. I once even had to give my teacher CPR by putting my asshole on her nose and farting.
But it seems that skeletons were in a poor condition and they probably had their doubts but then DNA confirmed it.
Quote:That said, a definitive determination of sex wasn’t possible owing to the poor preservation of the skeletons.
https://gizmodo.com/famous-lovers-of-mod...1838098148
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RE: so it WAS Adam and Steve!
September 18, 2019 at 4:16 pm
OK, that makes more sense.
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RE: so it WAS Adam and Steve!
September 18, 2019 at 4:46 pm
They could tell they were gay but not what sexy they were.
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RE: so it WAS Adam and Steve!
September 18, 2019 at 5:05 pm
Doesn't even mean they're gay. It just means they're two dudes. Could've been hunting buddies.
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RE: so it WAS Adam and Steve!
September 18, 2019 at 5:08 pm
(September 18, 2019 at 1:30 pm)Gawdzilla Sama Wrote: If they look at the pelvis they can determine gender.
That's how I do it.
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RE: so it WAS Adam and Steve!
September 18, 2019 at 5:11 pm
(September 18, 2019 at 5:05 pm)Shell B Wrote: Doesn't even mean they're gay. It just means they're two dudes. Could've been hunting buddies.
~10% chance. If that was a thing we'd see more of it.
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RE: so it WAS Adam and Steve!
September 18, 2019 at 5:15 pm
Or they could have been brothers, best friends, father/son I'm not sure what Italian burial customs were in the 6th century, but in a lot of cultures, male friends holding hands was a norm.
Or, they could have been a pair of big old flamers after all. We'll likely never know.
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