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RE: "Laughing At Religion" Meme Thread
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(June 14, 2023 at 11:16 am)polymath257 Wrote: (June 14, 2023 at 8:05 am)GUBU Wrote: The graph is wrong in at least two instances, neither Tacitus nor Josephus wrote about Yeshua. Both had later insertions which included passages about Yeshua in their works, written by christians.
The text from Tacitus describes the Christians and their beliefs. It does not deal with Jesus directly. It also is part of the narrative of Nero and fits into the writings fairly well. I believe it is currently accepted as authentic.
The text from Josephus, on the other hand, is clearly an interpolation.
The texts of Pliny and Seutonius are also both about Christians, not directly about Jesus. Pliny is concerned about what to do with Christians that refuse to pay homage to the emperor (which was tantamount to treason at the time). he was trying to find a way to *not* end up putting them to death. Seutonius, like Tacitus, talks about the Christians and their beliefs, but has nothing directly about Jesus.
The earliest text we have for Tacitus has scrubbed out the word "chrestianos" meaning followers of the good, with "christianos" meaning followers of the christ in all locations where christians are allegedly mentioned. Plus putting christians in Rome during the reign of Nero is highly problematic, because in all likelihood there was no such things as christianities until the 70s CE at the earliest, later than the burning of Rome. And even then they were considered a sub-group of judaism until well into the second century CE.
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teachings of the Bible are so muddled and self-contradictory that it was possible for Christians to happily burn heretics alive for five long centuries. It was even possible for the most venerated patriarchs of the Church, like St. Augustine and St. Thomas Aquinas, to conclude that heretics should be tortured (Augustine) or killed outright (Aquinas). Martin Luther and John Calvin advocated the wholesale murder of heretics, apostates, Jews, and witches. - Sam Harris, "Letter To A Christian Nation"
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teachings of the Bible are so muddled and self-contradictory that it was possible for Christians to happily burn heretics alive for five long centuries. It was even possible for the most venerated patriarchs of the Church, like St. Augustine and St. Thomas Aquinas, to conclude that heretics should be tortured (Augustine) or killed outright (Aquinas). Martin Luther and John Calvin advocated the wholesale murder of heretics, apostates, Jews, and witches. - Sam Harris, "Letter To A Christian Nation"
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That's certainly mysterious.
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teachings of the Bible are so muddled and self-contradictory that it was possible for Christians to happily burn heretics alive for five long centuries. It was even possible for the most venerated patriarchs of the Church, like St. Augustine and St. Thomas Aquinas, to conclude that heretics should be tortured (Augustine) or killed outright (Aquinas). Martin Luther and John Calvin advocated the wholesale murder of heretics, apostates, Jews, and witches. - Sam Harris, "Letter To A Christian Nation"
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For some reason, all images that Fake Messiah posts don't come up for me. Either my Bitdefender is preventing them, or I can't get to them.
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(June 16, 2023 at 12:30 pm)HappySkeptic Wrote: For some reason, all images that Fake Messiah posts don't come up for me. Either my Bitdefender is preventing them, or I can't get to them.
I had the same issue recently with images by arewethereyet and boru (they posted on imgur), but somehow don't anymore.
teachings of the Bible are so muddled and self-contradictory that it was possible for Christians to happily burn heretics alive for five long centuries. It was even possible for the most venerated patriarchs of the Church, like St. Augustine and St. Thomas Aquinas, to conclude that heretics should be tortured (Augustine) or killed outright (Aquinas). Martin Luther and John Calvin advocated the wholesale murder of heretics, apostates, Jews, and witches. - Sam Harris, "Letter To A Christian Nation"
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