Early Islam and healthcare

[WinterHold]

It doesn't seem that way when you consider the amounts of Europeans standing with Right wing's propaganda. The Right is winning and it uses xenophobia and denying Muslims of their real history as a favorite asset to win.

Muslim history is being dumped underground, and ignoring the existence of Muslims is widespread, it even reached the degree of demonizing Muslim civilizations like the Ottoman civilization without any shame; forgetting real grand demons like HItler, Vlad and the Crusaders.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.  You're a victim.  Blah bitty blah bitty blah.  Play another tune.

Boru

I'm not a victim, but the idea of replacing the map of the Middle East with another with "lesser borders" + free healthcare + free education + free governmental salaries for the poor and the sick, will carry a permanent solution for the overheating of the region.

[BrianSoddingBoru4]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.  You're a victim.  Blah bitty blah bitty blah.  Play another tune.

Boru

I'm not a victim, but the idea of replacing the map of the Middle East with another with "lesser borders" + free healthcare + free education + free governmental salaries for the poor and the sick, will carry a permanent solution for the overheating of the region.

If you're not a victim, you're doing a damned fine impression of one.

Every single religious or ethnic group in the world has been on the bad end of racism or genocide or falsified/glossed over history.  Your position seems to be that the Muslims are the more put-upon group in history.  Have they gotten a bad deal of late?  Yes and no mistake.  But you really need to stop acting as if the Muslims are being singled out.

Boru

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[Deesse23]

14-16% of Germans would vote for the right wing xenophbic party if today were elections. Thats 1/6.

What about the Pegida protest against Muslims in Germany and Europe in general??
It exceeds the 16% from what I saw in the news.

What news reports more than 16% of Germans voting xenophobes? Right, none. Learn to inform yourself better.
At the moment Pegida is not a thing anymore. The latest Pedida demo in Dresden had 700 participants. You also forgot to mention that lots of leaders got arrested and sentenced. Stop reinforing beliefs you alread hold and be more critical.

Pegida believes that Germany is being increasingly Islamicized[10] and defines itself in opposition to Islamic extremism.

I don't see anybody else targeted but Muslims in the official agenda of the far right.

Then you need to look better. While Pegida indeed focuses on perceived islamisation, its a xenophobic movement in general and wants to limit asylum and immigration in general.

However i dont see that any of this supports your original claim that Pegida is "denying Muslims of their real history". If anything Pegidas fear of Islam acknowledges the succes of this religion and its way to spread in the past. Its the very base of those peoples fears.

Muslim advent to the world literally shook the whole globe, from Africa to Europe.
That's not even my opinion; but the opinion of historians that some of them were even atheist.

Again, nobody disputes this. So whom are you even arguing against. Atheism, by the way, is totally irrelevant to this.
Stop your victim complex. Its really annoying.

Until this day Muslims are a billion and increasing. Muslims hold the richest regions in their hands, unlike the Mongols they kept science and rewarded scientists,

Oh, the Mongols. Why suddenly the mongols? They were just as clever as early muslims, and just as crafty. They kept chinese siege technology and used it against their foes. Ask the people of Badgad.

they even utilized the geniuses of Europe to manufacture the strongest cannons of their time, but why don't I read about this unless I dig so deep in Wikipedia, while way smaller cultures are magnified.

So your argument is "i cant find it on the first page of Wikipedia, thus its all hidden on purpose"? The fact that i know better about the history of Islam than you do (and i am not alone) should tell you something.....about history education in Germany, and about your own.

Give me the name of the program and the channel so I confess that I was wrong.

Why would i give you names of german docus you wont understand a single word anyway? To have more epic rants full of evidence of how misinformed you are? Certainly not.
But try to look for ARTE for example, a franco-german channel. ZDFinfo and Phoenix also are a good start.

The Ottomans were incomparable to the Mongols or the Crusaders. A simple comparison of crime and brutality makes one miss the Ottoman songs.. 

Nope, they were just like any other dynasty. You lack of commentary about their despicable traditions is noted though.

Dumping the history of Muslims underground is one way to kill any high morale that might spark in their heads. Islam is such a headache to imperialists.

Your victim complex and ignorance is showing again. Noone is "dumping the history of Muslims". You endlessly repeating a debunked claim does not make it true. Stop that silly mantra of yours.

The Church did worse deeds; that even books shake in fear and disgust when they read them.
This Vlad impaled people in the ass. Crusaders ate the flesh of Muslim babies. Mongols and Christians had mutual interest in destroying Islam and Muslims out of the way.

Ooooooooh, poor Islam, poor Ottomans. Want a tissue?
Reality is: They all were the same more or less.
ate the flesh of babies.....gimme a break.
You ignoring how Islam spread to where it was back then when the Mongols and Crusaders attacked is duly noted as well. You basically ignoring my whole post about how long Vlad Tepes ruled, and how long Ottomans did what they did (including slavery) is duly noted as well. By now your dishoesty is pretty obvious. You arent here to have a civil discourse, you are here to hysterically throw a temper tantrum about how Islam is treated soooooo badly by everyone.

If it wasn't for Ottoman sea raids, European pirates would've had an open playground in the Middle East. The corruption of European pirates filled America and the Caribbean. It's hard to call pirate ships "innocent".

Ahhh, so Muslim pirates only were there because of european pirates. How convenient an arument. Too bad its completely wrong.
European pirates in the middle east? Stop doing drugs, dude.
And what the fuck had european pirates in the caribbean to do with muslim pirates in the mediterranean? Right: ab-so-fucking-lutely-nothing.
When did anyone call (european) pirates "innocent"? Your continuous strawmen are really annoying. FOR FUCKS SAKE, READ WHAT I WRITE, AT LEAST ONCE.

It was the conquests of the Ottoman navy in the 16th century that triggered the holy league to act and ended with Lepanto. And that was at least 100y before the "golden age" of piracy in the caribbean.

Get your fucking history straight, man. Your view of history is totally fucked up. One doesnt even know where to start when correcting your glaring errors.

What about the huge amounts of European Christians who lived with the Ottomans, and were even given right to rule Turkey and the Islamic world? Ottomans were very tolerant to Europeans. Bosnia didn't advocate Islam and practice out of the blue.

All hail and praise the Ottomans! They were so tolerant that they invaded Europe by 1453 and didnt stop until the second siege of Vienna. But hey, Vlad Tepes, he was such a meanie!

Do you want to convince me that this very very very famous verse from the Quran was unknown to the Ottomans or the impeller ?

Another strawman of yours?

Sura 2, the Quran:
Sahih International

(256) There shall be no compulsion in [acceptance of] the religion. The right course has become clear from the wrong. So whoever disbelieves in Taghut and believes in Allah has grasped the most trustworthy handhold with no break in it. And Allah is Hearing and Knowing.

This verse is not just famous; it's in the second Sura. Do you want to convince me that Millions of Millions of Turks, Arabs and Europeans, Christian and Muslim, were ignorant of the existence of this verse??

You keep strawmanning me, dude. Stop it.
Facts are: Islam was spread with the sword. Anyone knowing your sura while not respecting it is totally irrelevant (like so many of the irrelevancies you keep to bring up).

Eastern Romans and Persians treated Arabs like crap,

STOP YOUR FUCKING VICTIM COMPLEX
Rome treated every barbarian tribe equal: conquer them and colonise.

By the way, i noted a certian scheme in interacting with you:
You start with wild claims. They get debunked and your follow up post always is full of derailing, strawmen and new, even more silly claims and stupid anecdotes. Its nearly impossible to have a civilised discourse with you because of this. You cant hold a coherent thought across more than two posts and your arguments and thoughts constantly are all over the place.
You clearly arent looking for a productive back and forth, but only a chance to climb on your proverbial soap box to tell everybody what you want to tell. Bidirectional conversation is nearly  impossible with you.

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[BrianSoddingBoru4]

I'm not disputing that crusaders ate Muslims, I was just wondering what it had to do with the high quality of Islamic hospitals.

Boru

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[WinterHold]

So; Crusaders came to destroy and loot, they were a barbarian horde disguised in metal armors, they came to Muslim lands to kill and rape. Indeed Muslim hospitals were heathen luxuries in their barbarian eyes, they weren't Rome and their savage hordes were not the legions of Cesar.

It's not racism against Europeans since I am admitting the noble role of Rome and Greece in building civilization, but crusaders were a savage rabble that used Christianity to loot and escape poverty.

Their relationship to Islamic healthcare was so obvious: Crusaders and Mongols burned down Muslim civilization. Today, Muslims are under the control of the sons of Crusaders who evolved through the Illumination era to turn against Christianity and advocate secular laws, local criminals are always chosen intentionally to guard and deliver the interests of their employers.

[BrianSoddingBoru4]

That's not really WHY the Crusaders come to the Holy Land, but there's no question that atrocities occurred on both sides once they arrived.  Don't confuse motivation with opportunism.

Boru