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RE: PLEASE: birds, bees, flowers and trees!
December 24, 2019 at 4:04 pm
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(December 24, 2019 at 1:00 am)Haipule Wrote: Really? Do you really think a flower (as we know it to be today) could possibly exist without a bee? Flowers, as we know them today: NEVER existed in the geologic timescale until very recently! Birds, bees, flowers and trees could NEVER exist unless they all appeared all at the same time in geologic history! It's called: commensurability. The Genesis account says they did: and they do exist! How then mighty atheist: do they exist?
I'm sure you have a great answer to this Genesis only fact WITHOUT ANY EVIDENCE! Except, "well , they're here aren't they?"
Truth is, not even modern man could exist, at that time, without that garden! Or, even now!
Don't they teach about this in the US. Seriously this is basic stuff.
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RE: PLEASE: birds, bees, flowers and trees!
December 24, 2019 at 4:05 pm
(December 24, 2019 at 3:55 pm)KRev. Rye Wrote: (December 24, 2019 at 12:32 pm)LadyForCamus Wrote: Classic argument from personal incredulity fallacy.
“I can’t fathom how this happened naturally, therefore it couldn’t have.”
If you’re going to debate atheists about the existence or god, I highly recommend you brush up on the common fallacies used by theists, and try to sidestep them as much as possible.
If he insists on taking the path of most resistance in attempting to reach us (seriously, the science we have not only does not point to a creator, it actively undermines the particular idea of God many Christians believe in), I can’t be sure he’s going to be adept at sidestepping the major logical traps.
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RE: PLEASE: birds, bees, flowers and trees!
December 24, 2019 at 4:10 pm
(December 24, 2019 at 4:04 pm)downbeatplumb Wrote: Don't they teach about this in the US. Seriously this basic stuff. In the US, yeah. In Jesusistan, not so much.
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RE: PLEASE: birds, bees, flowers and trees!
December 24, 2019 at 4:19 pm
I am not a Christian or a Jew. My argument was about evolution, commensurability and nature(angiosperms, bees)--not God! You guys brought up God.
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RE: PLEASE: birds, bees, flowers and trees!
December 24, 2019 at 4:27 pm
Were you referring to the Peter Gabriel or Phil Collins Genesis then?
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RE: PLEASE: birds, bees, flowers and trees!
December 24, 2019 at 7:43 pm
(December 24, 2019 at 4:19 pm)Haipule Wrote: I am not a Christian or a Jew. My argument was about evolution, commensurability and nature(angiosperms, bees)--not God! You guys brought up God.
Form the OP:
(December 24, 2019 at 1:00 am)Haipule Wrote: Really? Do you really think a flower (as we know it to be today) could possibly exist without a bee? Flowers, as we know them today: NEVER existed in the geologic timescale until very recently! Birds, bees, flowers and trees could NEVER exist unless they all appeared all at the same time in geologic history! It's called: commensurability. The Genesis account says they did: and they do exist! How then mighty atheist: do they exist?
I'm sure you have a great answer to this Genesis only fact WITHOUT ANY EVIDENCE! Except, "well , they're here aren't they?"
Truth is, not even modern man could exist, at that time, without that garden! Or, even now!
So unless you're talking about the band or The Wrath of Khan you clearly brought Gawd up.
Your "argument" reads like:
Pilots are useless without airplanes,
And airplanes useless without pilots,
Thus Gawd must have Created both.
Go self-pollinate.
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RE: PLEASE: birds, bees, flowers and trees!
December 25, 2019 at 8:55 am
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(December 24, 2019 at 7:43 pm)Paleophyte Wrote: (December 24, 2019 at 4:19 pm)Haipule Wrote: I am not a Christian or a Jew. My argument was about evolution, commensurability and nature(angiosperms, bees)--not God! You guys brought up God.
Form the OP:
(December 24, 2019 at 1:00 am)Haipule Wrote: Really? Do you really think a flower (as we know it to be today) could possibly exist without a bee? Flowers, as we know them today: NEVER existed in the geologic timescale until very recently! Birds, bees, flowers and trees could NEVER exist unless they all appeared all at the same time in geologic history! It's called: commensurability. The Genesis account says they did: and they do exist! How then mighty atheist: do they exist?
I'm sure you have a great answer to this Genesis only fact WITHOUT ANY EVIDENCE! Except, "well , they're here aren't they?"
Truth is, not even modern man could exist, at that time, without that garden! Or, even now!
So unless you're talking about the band or The Wrath of Khan you clearly brought Gawd up.
Your "argument" reads like:
Pilots are useless without airplanes,
And airplanes useless without pilots,
Thus Gawd must have Created both.
Go self-pollinate.
Can I steal that? 
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RE: PLEASE: birds, bees, flowers and trees!
December 25, 2019 at 10:07 am
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(December 24, 2019 at 4:19 pm)Haipule Wrote: I am not a Christian or a Jew. My argument was about evolution, commensurability and nature(angiosperms, bees)--not God! You guys brought up God.
Yeah, and I'm not a killer, I just like firing .50s into the tree line.
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RE: PLEASE: birds, bees, flowers and trees!
December 26, 2019 at 11:32 pm
(December 24, 2019 at 1:00 am)Haipule Wrote: Really? Do you really think a flower (as we know it to be today) could possibly exist without a bee?
Yes. Though most modern flowers use bees, there are and were ones that don't. Some use birds, some use wind, some use other methods.
(December 24, 2019 at 1:00 am)Haipule Wrote: Flowers, as we know them today: NEVER existed in the geologic timescale until very recently! Birds, bees, flowers and trees could NEVER exist unless they all appeared all at the same time in geologic history!
First trees = 385 myo
First flowers = 140 myo
First bees = 130 myo
First "modern birds"/avian dinosaurs = 60 myo
First non-avian dinosaur = 160 myo
Obviously no where near "the same time".
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RE: PLEASE: birds, bees, flowers and trees!
December 26, 2019 at 11:38 pm
You forgot to round up to the nearest make-believe, lost.
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