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RE: Hell is justified.
February 27, 2020 at 2:15 pm
(February 27, 2020 at 1:58 pm)AtlasS33 Wrote: (February 26, 2020 at 12:50 pm)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote: If it’s simply an option, why are you whinging that no one has disproved it? Opinions are not amenable to proof or disproof.
So, the child should be tortured to prove that people shouldn’t kill each other? You really don’t see the lunacy in that, do you?
Boru
Because you obviously said to me in a previous reply:
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[b]BrianSoddingBoru4[/b] said:
We aren't required to disprove your assertions. YOU are required to PROVE them, which you have failed to do, although in an admittedly grand style.
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How do you ask me to prove what I said, when you explicitly said before that you don't even need to disprove what I said?
Obviously; what I made is an assertion reflected from the faith I believe in, I'm not required to prove anything, to me the proof is already in the universe, stars, life and death, I neither pushed that personal belief on you nor forced you to follow it.
I'm not God, but as humans treat machines, I believe God treat us in a way similar to that too.
I asked you to prove the things you said before you identified them as opinions. I then pointed out that since they ARE opinions, it’s pointless of you to point out that no one has disproved them.
Hope that clears it up for you.
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RE: Hell is justified.
February 27, 2020 at 4:49 pm
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If we treated a human being like we treat a machine, we would be in jail. Just how much of an asshole is god, anyway? In your opinion, ofc.
I'm wondering whether allah has a floor.
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RE: Hell is justified.
February 27, 2020 at 4:57 pm
(February 27, 2020 at 4:49 pm)The Grand Nudger Wrote: If we treated a human being like we treat a machine, we would be in jail. Just how much of an asshole is god, anyway? In your opinion, ofc.
I'm wondering whether allah has a floor.
But, under the Special Pleading Clause (para 2, subsections ii-xxv) of the God Contract, the Being that gave us morality is not required to function in a moral manner.
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RE: Hell is justified.
February 28, 2020 at 9:59 pm
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(February 27, 2020 at 2:15 pm)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote: (February 27, 2020 at 1:58 pm)AtlasS33 Wrote: Because you obviously said to me in a previous reply:
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How do you ask me to prove what I said, when you explicitly said before that you don't even need to disprove what I said?
Obviously; what I made is an assertion reflected from the faith I believe in, I'm not required to prove anything, to me the proof is already in the universe, stars, life and death, I neither pushed that personal belief on you nor forced you to follow it.
I'm not God, but as humans treat machines, I believe God treat us in a way similar to that too.
I asked you to prove the things you said before you identified them as opinions. I then pointed out that since they ARE opinions, it’s pointless of you to point out that no one has disproved them.
Hope that clears it up for you.
Boru
It's an opinion until I say "otherwise" -by otherwise I mean pointing to it as a "fact", but I already stated so many times that you have to wait until you die to see for yourself.
Wait, I shall also wait with you, but I believe from now that it is a fact. Isn't that the very definition of faith?
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faith/feɪθ/
- 1.
complete trust or confidence in someone or something.
"this restores one's faith in politicians"
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Similar:
trust
Opposite:mistrust
- 2.
strong belief in the doctrines of a religion, based on spiritual conviction rather than proof.
"bereaved people who have shown supreme faith"
(February 27, 2020 at 4:49 pm)The Grand Nudger Wrote: If we treated a human being like we treat a machine, we would be in jail. Just how much of an asshole is god, anyway? In your opinion, ofc.
I'm wondering whether allah has a floor.
But if you treated a "computer" like a machine, and broke lots and tortured the software of many with viruses yet to cure them you'll be a programmer.
We know that "treating a fellow human" like a machine is very wrong when you are another human.
Just like a chicken eating another chicken.
But being on the top of the food chain doesn't seem to make you sick.
Though God doesn't eat you, he creates you, he can unmake you then make you again, you live by his rules.
Accept it. Just like you accept the food chain.
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RE: Hell is justified.
February 29, 2020 at 6:16 am
Quote:Isn't that the very definition of faith?
It's passable, but I prefer Twain's definition: 'Faith is believing what you know ain't so.'
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RE: Hell is justified.
February 29, 2020 at 6:21 am
Hehe he is going down the wabbit hole. How much contortionism is needed to justify his belief? Plenty. Atlass already stuck his head up his arse and now is in a feedback loop, eating his own shit. Sad really, but its not uncommon in the religion of islam. I'd wager that reformed religions (moderates) are less susceptible to the crazyness.
Alas, islam still has to undergo its renaisance, but i would reckon some christian sects need to also.
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RE: Hell is justified.
February 29, 2020 at 9:34 am
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(February 28, 2020 at 9:59 pm)AtlasS33 Wrote: But if you treated a "computer" like a machine, and broke lots and tortured the software of many with viruses yet to cure them you'll be a programmer.
We know that "treating a fellow human" like a machine is very wrong when you are another human.
Just like a chicken eating another chicken.
But being on the top of the food chain doesn't seem to make you sick.
Though God doesn't eat you, he creates you, he can unmake you then make you again, you live by his rules.
Accept it. Just like you accept the food chain.
Is this the product of islamic moral reasoning, or just a bad plate of shrimp?
Did you really mean to float a tq...with god on one side...and -me- on the other...........? I agree! Finally and for once, I wholeheartedly agree. The god you describe really is just as bad as we are. Quick to discard the pain of others. Casually indifferent. With humans as battery farmed chickens there may be no floor.
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RE: Hell is justified.
February 29, 2020 at 12:48 pm
I appreciate AllAss33's effort to make believers look like right bastards, but we're moving into the over-kill zone now.
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RE: Hell is justified.
February 29, 2020 at 1:11 pm
(February 29, 2020 at 12:48 pm)Gawdzilla Sama Wrote: I appreciate AllAss33's effort to make believers look like right bastards, but we're moving into the over-kill zone now.
It’s been said that one of the quickest ways to reject a religion is to have one of the faithful explain it to you.
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RE: Hell is justified.
February 29, 2020 at 2:29 pm
(February 29, 2020 at 1:11 pm)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote: (February 29, 2020 at 12:48 pm)Gawdzilla Sama Wrote: I appreciate AllAss33's effort to make believers look like right bastards, but we're moving into the over-kill zone now.
It’s been said that one of the quickest ways to reject a religion is to have one of the faithful explain it to you.
Boru
Or never having consider a religion.
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