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#BernieOrBust2020
#41
RE: #BernieOrBust2020
I wouldn't give Biden nor Sanders a shit 'n spit sandwich, much less my vote.
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#42
RE: #BernieOrBust2020
(March 5, 2020 at 5:31 pm)SUNGULA Wrote:
(March 5, 2020 at 5:28 pm)LadyForCamus Wrote: People are free to do whatever they want, including not vote. I just don’t want to hear their bitching after the fact, when Trump wins again.
Funny thing is we can say that too Biden voters because you backed a candidate who will lose too Trump and even if he wins by some miracle will be too weak to do shit against Republicans .

I’m voting for Bernie; what are you talking about? But, if it comes down to Trump versus someone who’s not Bernie, whoever they are, they’re getting my vote. I don’t like Biden at all, but no one even comes close to being as categorically awful and dangerous as Trump.
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#43
RE: #BernieOrBust2020
Quote:It's a fair principle, but the repercussions of allowing Trump and Republicans another 4 years to do things like make the Supreme Court conservative for the rest of our lives, are not worth it. Seriously, what you're saying is extremely silly to me.
He's already done that because the DNC were stupid and went with Hillary an awful candidate .Now their doing it again . 

Quote:Voting is our power. Power is best wielded pragmatically. The primary is the time to be idealistic, that's what it is for. Once things are said and done, and you have a choice in November between people you may not like, don't pretend they're equal because they're not perfect. That doesn't make sense.
Too bad the DNC doesn't believe that because when asked the candidates with the exception of Sanders said they wouldn't back the person with the most votes
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#44
RE: #BernieOrBust2020
(March 5, 2020 at 5:28 pm)Chad32 Wrote:
(March 5, 2020 at 4:47 pm)LadyForCamus Wrote: It is their fault if they had a chance to help vote out the guy they hate, and they make a conscious decision not to do so.

No. If we keep "voting blue, no matter who" nothing will change. Why would it? If it doesn't matter who they put in front of us, because we keep voting for them, then they're just going to keep shutting out everyone who actually wants to change the system. It's their fault for not giving us someone to vote for.

Why else do you think the democratic party keeps moving to the center, or right of center. Because they compromised too much, and didn't stand their ground. At some point you have to just draw a line in the sand, and never cross that line.
And, I 100% agree with everything you just said here. But, we can get Trump out, and then tackle that problem, can’t we? I feel like it’s a false dichotomy being presented here. Either vote Trump out or take a stand against the DNC. How about first one issue; the most pressing issue as it relates to the state of our very republic, then we work on the other?
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#45
RE: #BernieOrBust2020
(March 5, 2020 at 5:32 pm)LadyForCamus Wrote:
(March 5, 2020 at 5:31 pm)SUNGULA Wrote: Funny thing is we can say that too Biden voters because you backed a candidate who will lose too Trump and even if he wins by some miracle will be too weak to do shit against Republicans .

I’m voting for Bernie; what are you talking about? But, if it comes down to Trump versus someone who’s not Bernie, whoever they are, they’re getting my vote. I don’t like Biden at all, but no one even comes close to being as categorically awful and dangerous as Trump.
 As i said if you voted Biden he will lose and you'll get Trump anyway, And if he wins it will be as if he lost because he will not be able to stop the Republicans.

Quote:But, we can get Trump out and then tackle that problem, can’t we?

No we can't because the DNC is part of both problems 


Quote: I feel like it’s a false dichotomy being presented here.

It really isn't as the DNC has made i clear only certain candidates get in and will happily sabotage campaigns  


Quote: Either vote Trump out or take a stand against the DNC. 

We vote Trump out and tell the DNC to go fuck itself .Bernie winning does both .Biden winning does neither .



Quote:How about first one issue; the most pressing issue as it relates to the state of our very republic, then we work on the other?
There the same problem
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#46
RE: #BernieOrBust2020
(March 5, 2020 at 5:21 pm)The Grand Nudger Wrote: The supreme court and the federal bench are already conservative for the rest of our lives. That was the get worth every single republican principle for the last 30 years...which succeeded in spite of the dems getting the votes..just to remind everyone.

The republican party is not nationally viable. Let that sink in. You guys aren't losing because people like me aren't voting, you're losing because you've agreed to play a game with people who haven't just tilted the table against you, they flipped it over and burnt down the house it was sitting in. Where it's a race to the bottom, on a perpetual cletus safari for the mythical independents and swing voters.

The Court has only a weak conservative majority. Once RBG dies, they have the opportunity to make it stronger. You gonna act like it doesnt matter if a Dem or Repub picks her replacement?

Fine, forget the court. Do I need to list the ways in which anyone left of Center is harmed by conservative policy as opposed to Dem, moderate or not? Come on
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#47
RE: #BernieOrBust2020
(March 5, 2020 at 5:41 pm)LadyForCamus Wrote:
(March 5, 2020 at 5:28 pm)Chad32 Wrote: No. If we keep "voting blue, no matter who" nothing will change. Why would it? If it doesn't matter who they put in front of us, because we keep voting for them, then they're just going to keep shutting out everyone who actually wants to change the system. It's their fault for not giving us someone to vote for.

Why else do you think the democratic party keeps moving to the center, or right of center. Because they compromised too much, and didn't stand their ground. At some point you have to just draw a line in the sand, and never cross that line.
And, I 100% agree with everything you just said here. But, we can get Trump out, and then tackle that problem, can’t we? I feel like it’s a false dichotomy being presented here. Either vote Trump out or take a stand against the DNC. How about first one issue; the most pressing issue as it relates to the state of our very republic, then we work on the other?

Well Bush was really bad, and we took him out, and then a lot of people tried to back Bernie, but he got cheated, and now we have Trump. So it won't matter much if we get a better candidate in, if they're still bad enough to make everything still categorically worse by the time we're out. Remember, we have Trump now because Obama didn't do a good enough job, and people really didn't want more status quo.
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#48
RE: #BernieOrBust2020
(March 5, 2020 at 6:10 pm)Chad32 Wrote:
(March 5, 2020 at 5:41 pm)LadyForCamus Wrote: And, I 100% agree with everything you just said here. But, we can get Trump out, and then tackle that problem, can’t we? I feel like it’s a false dichotomy being presented here. Either vote Trump out or take a stand against the DNC. How about first one issue; the most pressing issue as it relates to the state of our very republic, then we work on the other?

Well Bush was really bad, and we took him out, and then a lot of people tried to back Bernie, but he got cheated, and now we have Trump. So it won't matter much if we get a better candidate in, if they're still bad enough to make everything still categorically worse by the time we're out. Remember, we have Trump now because Obama didn't do a good enough job, and people really didn't want more status quo.
And DNC choose a bad candidate to back and even before that the Neo Liberal policies Joe was all for lead to rise of people like Trump
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#49
RE: #BernieOrBust2020
Bernie got "cheated" by not getting enough votes. Probably going to happen again.
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#50
RE: #BernieOrBust2020
Quote:The Court has only a weak conservative majority.

Which will be up against a weak president 


Quote: Once RBG dies, they have the opportunity to make it stronger.
If Joe finds his balls 


 
Quote:You gonna act like it doesnt matter if a Dem or Repub picks her replacement?
It doesn't if it's Biden 


Quote:Fine, forget the court. 

Okay 


Quote:Do I need to list the ways in which anyone left of Center is harmed by conservative policy as opposed to Dem, moderate or not? Come on
Do i need list the ways modeates are totally willing to side and capitulate to those very Conservatives .

(March 5, 2020 at 6:14 pm)The Grand Nudger Wrote: Bernie got "cheated" by not getting enough votes.  Probably going to happen again.
Even if he did get the most votes the his fellow Democrats made it clear they weren't going to let him win .
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