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The right.
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RE: The right.
(March 15, 2020 at 6:38 pm)Rhizomorph13 Wrote: Hmm, the internet seems to think Swarthy just refers to olive-skinned people with, sometimes, the added characteristic of being weather-beaten. Some mention of pirates and worthiness, but not a mention of anything to do with the Jewish people except the image Fake Messiah has was one of the images when I searched for Swarthy.

Oh well, that's OK then.

The blatant anti-Semites who use the word to describe a Jewish painter are just thinking about complexion. 

(I met Rothko's kids once. They are not more olive-toned than I am.)

If you Google "oily" it probably won't mention anti-Semitism either, but it was still a word commonly used to describe Jews in older literature.
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#22
RE: The right.
(March 15, 2020 at 6:31 pm)Belacqua Wrote:
(March 15, 2020 at 6:17 pm)arewethereyet Wrote: Swarthy is a bigot euphemism for Jewish?  

When did that become a thing?

Swarthy, oily, expensive rings on hands with dirty fingernails -- all of these are old anti-Semitic tropes. 

I re-read Wilde's Picture of Dorian Gray yesterday and was saddened to see that he repeats these.

Yes, Wilde was an anti-Semite. But, by the standards of his day, he was a comparatively mild and enlightened one.

Boru
‘But it does me no injury for my neighbour to say there are twenty gods or no gods. It neither picks my pocket nor breaks my leg.’ - Thomas Jefferson
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#23
RE: The right.
(March 15, 2020 at 11:21 am)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote: Try not to obsess over the loonies who want to pin the world’s woes on Muslims. It isn’t everyone, it isn’t even everyone on the right. It’s a tiny but vocal minority who would rather use your faith as a catch-all scapegoat than take a hard look at the facts.

Kinda like the the way you personally want to pin everything on Zionists. Stings a little, dunnit?

Boru

It's not tiny at all, it won in America for example with herds behind herds of Trump supporters.
In the UK it managed to get the UK out of the EU.

As for Zionism, only a contradictious person would still give the outdated British movement any legitimacy. WW1 is over, the world today is not the world of WW1. The imperialistic era is over. Zionists are a plague in today's world.

(March 15, 2020 at 1:37 pm)chimp3 Wrote: @Winterhold: What is left wing in Saudi Arabia? Does the left exist at all or is everyone a fascist?

There is no left or right in Saudi Arabia; rather there is a central monarch controlling everything.

(March 15, 2020 at 3:59 pm)Belacqua Wrote:
(March 15, 2020 at 11:02 am)WinterHold Wrote: News about the presence of rightist extremists in New Zealand have been quite a surprise to me.
The xenophobic anti-Muslim lobby is still present as it seems; despite the many hits its concepts have received.

The biggest surprise that I still have with the anti-Muslim mentality is this: how is it still authentic to blame Muslims for the world's huge problems?

From Coronavirus to the possession of fatal nuclear weapons by non-Muslim countries; up to the almost crazy-uncountable selling of weapons by non-Muslims; is blaming Muslims for any problem in western society is a worthy cause or a simple spicks and specks drawn by a greedy person with a hate complex and a need for a cause to gain votes in an election or more cash ?

In my opinion, the right's xenophobia would never end, because it is in the essence of any society since the dawn of time.

The Internet has allowed me to see that there really is an astonishing amount of bigotry in the world. 

I don't know if it was always there, and got more visible because of computers, or if the Internet tends to spread it. Maybe both.

Recently on Twitter I discovered that there's a big overlap among people who prefer traditional art, architecture, and urban design with white supremacy. Any photo of a nice street in a traditional town will soon draw anti-Semitic and anti-Muslim comments. 

And of course you can't talk sense to such people, because their bigotry isn't based on reason in the first place.

The internet got compromised in its simple form meaning that profiles in twitter -or any other network allowing new member to join- can get easily manipulated or created to form a fake general opinion.

We saw that with the Trump presidential campaign when millions of accounts and messages started to support him online. There are PR companies that provide this service for a payment btw.

So I won't trust social media easily. Their system is rigged, and unless new security measures are used to secure accounts; they remain a mere medium for spreading whatever billions of times if you got enough processing power.

Don't chat with these accounts because either you won't get a response; or will get a recorded message. A single person might be behind thousands of accounts; with a software made to control these accounts' messages.

That's why you can't talk sense into them.

About art, any familiarity with "surrealism art"?
I'm always shocked when I look into horror surrealism, I don't know any artists but these paintings keep me in wonder most of the time.

Though kinda disgusted at times
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#24
RE: The right.
(March 15, 2020 at 3:59 pm)Belacqua Wrote: The Internet has allowed me to see that there really is an astonishing amount of bigotry in the world. 

I don't know if it was always there, and got more visible because of computers, or if the Internet tends to spread it. Maybe both.

Recently on Twitter I discovered that there's a big overlap among people who prefer traditional art, architecture, and urban design with white supremacy. Any photo of a nice street in a traditional town will soon draw anti-Semitic and anti-Muslim comments. 

And of course you can't talk sense to such people, because their bigotry isn't based on reason in the first place.
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#25
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(March 16, 2020 at 2:34 am)WinterHold Wrote: That's why you can't talk sense into them.

Granted, the Internet is full of fakes and bots and crazies. 

The guy who runs the Twitter account is an interesting man, and a real person. He is based in Tokyo and posts anonymously, but he's clearly some kind of professional architect or historian of architecture. He posts frequently with well-made photos of traditional building methods. This is what appealed to me -- I also live in Japan and value its home-grown skills and aesthetic. 

He is too cagey to show his bigotry flat out, and is less extreme than some. It took a while for me to see that he is welcoming to the more overt racists. For example, he posted a quote from Simone Weil, whom I admire. In just a few minutes, one of his frequent responders pointed out that Weil had been born Jewish. In the end it became clear where his sympathies lie. 

Quote:About art, any familiarity with "surrealism art"?
I'm always shocked when I look into horror surrealism, I don't know any artists but these paintings keep me in wonder most of the time.

Though kinda disgusted at times

Surrealism is, in a sense, the art of our times -- like it or not. It's the latest in the family line coming out of Romanticism, which positioned itself against the Neoclassicism and rationalism that were becoming dominant in the 18th century. Romantic art and its descendants are the last oasis in life where we value irrationality. The rest of life is (or we think it should be) utilitarian, scientific, efficient, goal-directed. 

The Surrealists would be happy to hear that you find it affecting, even disgusting. Their goal is to de-familiarize the world, and bring up the truth that practical life covers over. "Sur-real" means more real than real -- where "real" means the way we perceive the world in our workaday lives, and "more real" means the chaos that in fact lies below all that. You can see the affinities with Nietzsche and Freud.
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#26
RE: The right.
(March 16, 2020 at 4:02 am)Belacqua Wrote:
(March 16, 2020 at 2:34 am)WinterHold Wrote: That's why you can't talk sense into them.

Granted, the Internet is full of fakes and bots and crazies. 

The guy who runs the Twitter account is an interesting man, and a real person. He is based in Tokyo and posts anonymously, but he's clearly some kind of professional architect or historian of architecture. He posts frequently with well-made photos of traditional building methods. This is what appealed to me -- I also live in Japan and value its home-grown skills and aesthetic. 

He is too cagey to show his bigotry flat out, and is less extreme than some. It took a while for me to see that he is welcoming to the more overt racists. For example, he posted a quote from Simone Weil, whom I admire. In just a few minutes, one of his frequent responders pointed out that Weil had been born Jewish. In the end it became clear where his sympathies lie. 
The only way to detect bots is time. Machines run out of logic with time; and their messages are redundant.
Enough talking about machines though, for real people one or two racist expression will probably trigger my alarms immediately; also friends are a big alarm for me; if the person welcomes bigots then probably they are also bigots.
Quote:Surrealism is, in a sense, the art of our times -- like it or not. It's the latest in the family line coming out of Romanticism, which positioned itself against the Neoclassicism and rationalism that were becoming dominant in the 18th century. Romantic art and its descendants are the last oasis in life where we value irrationality. The rest of life is (or we think it should be) utilitarian, scientific, efficient, goal-directed. 

The Surrealists would be happy to hear that you find it affecting, even disgusting. Their goal is to de-familiarize the world, and bring up the truth that practical life covers over. "Sur-real" means more real than real -- where "real" means the way we perceive the world in our workaday lives, and "more real" means the chaos that in fact lies below all that. You can see the affinities with Nietzsche and Freud.

I never studied art or even looked close at its logic; you can understand knowing that I'm a programmer: in a sense I never cared about organizing or trying to paint, but maybe that's why I have emotions for Surrealism: chaos.

I think chaos is beautiful at times; that's why. I also like Freud's logic in some topics.
The most complex artistic production of mine is trying to pick the right colors for a website using the famous color wheel Hehe  which results in......meh -_-
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#27
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I’m no student of art myself, but I know this much - if it’s got melted clocks, it’s definitely surrealism. If it doesn’t have melted clocks, it MIGHT be surrealism.

Boru
‘But it does me no injury for my neighbour to say there are twenty gods or no gods. It neither picks my pocket nor breaks my leg.’ - Thomas Jefferson
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