Actually, this virus was created by Obama, to make trump appear to be a failure.

(March 15, 2020 at 2:52 pm)arewethereyet Wrote:

(March 15, 2020 at 1:04 pm)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote: Mind you, there ARE Muslims going about saying that the Coronavirus is a punishment sent by Allah as retribution for the treatment of Uighurs. And yet a lot of the people who have died as a result have never met or even heard of Uighurs.

Which leads to the inescapable conclusion that Allah is punishing the innocent.


Boru

Pish posh - everyone knows Covid19 was sent by the Christian god - most likely because of the gays.  

Jelly bitch, ain't He.

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(March 15, 2020 at 2:55 pm)no one Wrote: Actually, this virus was created by Obama, to make trump appear to be a failure.

Obama policies like Katrina Relief point out the abject failure of his presidential policies even before he took office. Nobody noticed.

(March 15, 2020 at 1:04 pm)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote: Mind you, there ARE Muslims going about saying that the Coronavirus is a punishment sent by Allah as retribution for the treatment of Uighurs. And yet a lot of the people who have died as a result have never met or even heard of Uighurs.

Which leads to the inescapable conclusion that Allah is punishing the innocent.


Boru

Or a bad shot.

(March 15, 2020 at 11:02 am)WinterHold Wrote: News about the presence of rightist extremists in New Zealand have been quite a surprise to me.
The xenophobic anti-Muslim lobby is still present as it seems; despite the many hits its concepts have received.

The biggest surprise that I still have with the anti-Muslim mentality is this: how is it still authentic to blame Muslims for the world's huge problems?

From Coronavirus to the possession of fatal nuclear weapons by non-Muslim countries; up to the almost crazy-uncountable selling of weapons by non-Muslims; is blaming Muslims for any problem in western society is a worthy cause or a simple spicks and specks drawn by a greedy person with a hate complex and a need for a cause to gain votes in an election or more cash ?

In my opinion, the right's xenophobia would never end, because it is in the essence of any society since the dawn of time.

The Internet has allowed me to see that there really is an astonishing amount of bigotry in the world. 

I don't know if it was always there, and got more visible because of computers, or if the Internet tends to spread it. Maybe both.

Recently on Twitter I discovered that there's a big overlap among people who prefer traditional art, architecture, and urban design with white supremacy. Any photo of a nice street in a traditional town will soon draw anti-Semitic and anti-Muslim comments. 

And of course you can't talk sense to such people, because their bigotry isn't based on reason in the first place.

(March 15, 2020 at 3:59 pm)Belacqua Wrote:

(March 15, 2020 at 11:02 am)WinterHold Wrote: News about the presence of rightist extremists in New Zealand have been quite a surprise to me.
The xenophobic anti-Muslim lobby is still present as it seems; despite the many hits its concepts have received.

The biggest surprise that I still have with the anti-Muslim mentality is this: how is it still authentic to blame Muslims for the world's huge problems?

From Coronavirus to the possession of fatal nuclear weapons by non-Muslim countries; up to the almost crazy-uncountable selling of weapons by non-Muslims; is blaming Muslims for any problem in western society is a worthy cause or a simple spicks and specks drawn by a greedy person with a hate complex and a need for a cause to gain votes in an election or more cash ?

In my opinion, the right's xenophobia would never end, because it is in the essence of any society since the dawn of time.

The Internet has allowed me to see that there really is an astonishing amount of bigotry in the world. 

I don't know if it was always there, and got more visible because of computers, or if the Internet tends to spread it. Maybe both.

Recently on Twitter I discovered that there's a big overlap among people who prefer traditional art, architecture, and urban design with white supremacy. Any photo of a nice street in a traditional town will soon draw anti-Semitic and anti-Muslim comments. 

And of course you can't talk sense to such people, because their bigotry isn't based on reason in the first place.

Wrong. Islam is wrong because it is wrong. That is not bigotry, it is observation of fact.

(March 15, 2020 at 3:59 pm)Belacqua Wrote:

(March 15, 2020 at 11:02 am)WinterHold Wrote: News about the presence of rightist extremists in New Zealand have been quite a surprise to me.
The xenophobic anti-Muslim lobby is still present as it seems; despite the many hits its concepts have received.

The biggest surprise that I still have with the anti-Muslim mentality is this: how is it still authentic to blame Muslims for the world's huge problems?

From Coronavirus to the possession of fatal nuclear weapons by non-Muslim countries; up to the almost crazy-uncountable selling of weapons by non-Muslims; is blaming Muslims for any problem in western society is a worthy cause or a simple spicks and specks drawn by a greedy person with a hate complex and a need for a cause to gain votes in an election or more cash ?

In my opinion, the right's xenophobia would never end, because it is in the essence of any society since the dawn of time.

The Internet has allowed me to see that there really is an astonishing amount of bigotry in the world. 

I don't know if it was always there, and got more visible because of computers, or if the Internet tends to spread it. Maybe both.

Recently on Twitter I discovered that there's a big overlap among people who prefer traditional art, architecture, and urban design with white supremacy. Any photo of a nice street in a traditional town will soon draw anti-Semitic and anti-Muslim comments. 

And of course you can't talk sense to such people, because their bigotry isn't based on reason in the first place.

I like traditional style art.

To me, much modern art looks like it was painted by an epileptic monkey.

Never understood the fascination with Picasso

So, I'm a white supremacist? Why don't I know these things?

(March 15, 2020 at 5:58 pm)The Valkyrie Wrote: I like traditional style art.

To me, much modern art looks like it was painted by an epileptic monkey.

Never understood the fascination with Picasso

So, I'm a white supremacist?  Why don't I know these things?

See, this is the problem the white supremacists are making. 

I also like traditional art and architecture a lot more than modern stuff. So I was happy to find the twitter accounts that focus on those things. But the bigots are trying to pretend that art and architecture are getting worse because of certain groups of people -- mostly Jews and immigrants, but also Muslims. 

The evidence they use is of course stupidly selective. If they're talking about Abstract Expressionism, for example, they don't talk about Pollock or de Kooning. They'll focus on Rothko, who was Jewish. I actually saw one guy call him "swarthy," which is a bigot euphemism for "Jewish." 

I pointed out that urban planning has been harmed by Le Corbusier (a white European man with fascist tendencies similar to white supremacists) and improved by Jane Jacobs (a Jewish woman). This got me blocked. 

Recently the Trump administration announced that all new public buildings have to be built in Neoclassical style. On the surface it seems like a matter of taste, and one that I have sympathy for. The Capitol in Washington is far superior to Boston City Hall, for example. But the trouble is that Trump is allied with all kinds of white supremacists, who have been using Neoclassicism as a rallying cry against all the usual enemies. No one who has been paying attention thinks that Trump would call for good taste in architecture for aesthetic reasons.

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Meeting unashamed bigots on Twitter taught me more about how they think. There seem to be two related methods they use to be bigoted.

First, they will look at a huge and diverse group of people and focus on the very worst members of that group. So some small percentage of black people are criminals, and some Jewish people only care about money, and some Muslims are terrorists, and some gay men are pedophiles. The bigots point to that small percentage and pretend it is an essential characteristic of the whole group.

Of course they neglect the fact that there are also non-black people who are criminals, and non-gay men who are pedophiles, etc. etc.

The second, related method for being bigoted is to take some flaw that is common to human beings, or some downward trend in society, and pretend that only one group is to be blamed for it. So if architecture is getting uglier, it is the fault of Jews, or if the streets aren't safe, it is the fault of one minority group or another. Maybe some Christians don't think clearly about science, so a bigot will pretend that it is characteristic of Christianity to be stupid about science, and that society would be smarter about science if there were no Christianity. They are neglecting the fact that plenty of other people don't know science, and that any sort of person is capable of faulty reasoning, prejudiced conclusions, etc.

Swarthy is a bigot euphemism for Jewish?

When did that become a thing?

(March 15, 2020 at 6:17 pm)arewethereyet Wrote: Swarthy is a bigot euphemism for Jewish?  

When did that become a thing?

Swarthy, oily, expensive rings on hands with dirty fingernails -- all of these are old anti-Semitic tropes. 

I re-read Wilde's Picture of Dorian Gray yesterday and was saddened to see that he repeats these.

Hmm, the internet seems to think Swarthy just refers to olive-skinned people with, sometimes, the added characteristic of being weather-beaten. Some mention of pirates and worthiness, but not a mention of anything to do with the Jewish people except the image Fake Messiah has was one of the images when I searched for Swarthy.