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Effect of prayers on healing
#1
Effect of prayers on healing
Hi all,

I came across this article:

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Which claims that a research that was done on the effect of prayers on patients healing (retroactively!) wasn't done properly. It claims that:

"Of course there are many problems with this paper... It appears that most of the significance of this study can be ascribed to one outlier in the control group, whose stay in the hospital was extended. However, without access to the raw data it is hard to prove this. The fact that the median does not differ between the two treatment groups is another hint, i.e. that the results might look very different when the outlier is removed"

I didn't understand what he means, because as far as I know Median, Upper quartile and Lower quartile are not affected by extreme values in the list. So even if there was a patient who stayed for a much longer time in the hospital, it shouldn't have change the results in the final table.

So, do you agree with the article's author claim, and if so why?

Thanks.
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#2
RE: Effect of prayers on healing
What do you think?

And why did you find your way here?
Miserable Bastard.
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#3
RE: Effect of prayers on healing
(March 31, 2020 at 11:59 pm)Succubus#2 Wrote: What do you think?

And why did you find your way here?

What do I think? I know that the claim sounds ridiculous, but also the Quantum mechanics sounds ridiculous and everyone accept it.

I'm an atheist, but as you know, a good scientist accept the evidence and not ignoring them just because it collides with his or her believes. The research was done on 3393 patients and was published in the British Medical Journal (BMJ) which has an impact factor of 17.215, Isn't that enough evidence?

I was looking for forums that talks about atheism and math because my question involve both.
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#4
RE: Effect of prayers on healing
(April 1, 2020 at 12:04 am)CommonMan Wrote: What do I think? I know that the claim sounds ridiculous, but also the Quantum mechanics sounds ridiculous and everyone accept it.

I'm an atheist, but as you know, a good scientist accept the evidence and not ignoring them just because it collides with his or her believes. The research was done on 3393 patients and was published in the British Medical Journal (BMJ) which has an impact factor of 17.215, Isn't that enough evidence?

I was looking for forums that talks about atheism and math because my question involve both.

Juliane. Post me a pic of your titties before you get banned.
Miserable Bastard.
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#5
RE: Effect of prayers on healing
(April 1, 2020 at 12:14 am)Succubus#2 Wrote:
(April 1, 2020 at 12:04 am)CommonMan Wrote: What do I think? I know that the claim sounds ridiculous, but also the Quantum mechanics sounds ridiculous and everyone accept it.

I'm an atheist, but as you know, a good scientist accept the evidence and not ignoring them just because it collides with his or her believes. The research was done on 3393 patients and was published in the British Medical Journal (BMJ) which has an impact factor of 17.215, Isn't that enough evidence?

I was looking for forums that talks about atheism and math because my question involve both.

Juliane. Post me a pic of your ####### before you get banned.

I thought that I came to a forum of a grown up men.
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#6
RE: Effect of prayers on healing
Your countdown to the beyond is in single digits, you do know that don't you?
Miserable Bastard.
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#7
RE: Effect of prayers on healing
(April 1, 2020 at 12:34 am)Succubus#2 Wrote: Your countdown to the beyond is in single digits, you do know that don't you?

I don't understand what you are talking about.

Regarding to my first post, I tested it:

1. First I tried a list of a 200 random values between 1 to 10:

10, 5, 4, 10, 3, 8, 9, 9, 4, 3, 7, 10, 4, 5, 5, 2, 3, 9, 10, 4, 9, 1, 2, 6, 8, 1, 8, 1, 9, 8, 5, 10, 9, 9, 3, 9, 4, 1, 6, 4, 8, 4, 4, 10, 6, 10, 2, 2, 5, 5, 3, 4, 4, 1, 4, 9, 6, 6, 9, 10, 7, 7, 6, 2, 9, 10, 2, 9, 7, 8, 4, 9, 1, 4, 4, 7, 6, 7, 4, 3, 1, 1, 8, 4, 1, 3, 4, 1, 9, 9, 7, 4, 2, 7, 5, 7, 7, 10, 6, 1, 3, 3, 4, 1, 2, 8, 5, 5, 1, 8, 3, 4, 4, 6, 4, 6, 9, 7, 3, 9, 6, 1, 8, 5, 1, 2, 6, 3, 9, 5, 3, 5, 2, 5, 10, 1, 9, 1, 1, 10, 3, 1, 3, 5, 10, 5, 1, 10, 8, 10, 5, 4, 8, 10, 10, 9, 6, 6, 4, 2, 2, 1, 2, 7, 6, 5, 10, 4, 6, 2, 10, 6, 9, 9, 9, 2, 9, 10, 1, 1, 1, 1, 6, 5, 4, 9, 2, 7, 5, 1, 1, 8, 3, 10, 3, 9, 5, 5, 1, 10

and I got:

Quartile Q1: 3
Quartile Q2: 5
Quartile Q3: 8

2. Then I replaced the last value with 3628800 (= 10!) like so:

10, 5, 4, 10, 3, 8, 9, 9, 4, 3, 7, 10, 4, 5, 5, 2, 3, 9, 10, 4, 9, 1, 2, 6, 8, 1, 8, 1, 9, 8, 5, 10, 9, 9, 3, 9, 4, 1, 6, 4, 8, 4, 4, 10, 6, 10, 2, 2, 5, 5, 3, 4, 4, 1, 4, 9, 6, 6, 9, 10, 7, 7, 6, 2, 9, 10, 2, 9, 7, 8, 4, 9, 1, 4, 4, 7, 6, 7, 4, 3, 1, 1, 8, 4, 1, 3, 4, 1, 9, 9, 7, 4, 2, 7, 5, 7, 7, 10, 6, 1, 3, 3, 4, 1, 2, 8, 5, 5, 1, 8, 3, 4, 4, 6, 4, 6, 9, 7, 3, 9, 6, 1, 8, 5, 1, 2, 6, 3, 9, 5, 3, 5, 2, 5, 10, 1, 9, 1, 1, 10, 3, 1, 3, 5, 10, 5, 1, 10, 8, 10, 5, 4, 8, 10, 10, 9, 6, 6, 4, 2, 2, 1, 2, 7, 6, 5, 10, 4, 6, 2, 10, 6, 9, 9, 9, 2, 9, 10, 1, 1, 1, 1, 6, 5, 4, 9, 2, 7, 5, 1, 1, 8, 3, 10, 3, 9, 5, 5, 1, 3628800

and again I got the same result:

Quartile Q1: 3
Quartile Q2: 5
Quartile Q3: 8

You can try it yourself here, just copy paste the values list:

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So I don't understand his remark.
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#8
RE: Effect of prayers on healing
The effect is Nil.

Any other gems op? Or was this your only gambit?
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#9
RE: Effect of prayers on healing
(April 1, 2020 at 1:33 am)Nay_Sayer Wrote: The effect is Nil.

Any other gems op? Or was this your only gambit?

Any reason that your comments are so negative?
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#10
RE: Effect of prayers on healing
(April 1, 2020 at 1:51 am)CommonMan Wrote:
(April 1, 2020 at 1:33 am)Nay_Sayer Wrote: The effect is Nil.

Any other gems op? Or was this your only gambit?

Any reason that your comments are so negative?

We're just keeping you entertained dear until one of the bouncers show up. You see I've never seen a live banning before.
Miserable Bastard.
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