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Happy Birthday, Hitch!
#51
RE: Happy Birthday, Hitch!
What a silly, constrictive way to think. You don't have to be chef to taste too much tarragon in the Bearnaise, or a musician to hear a clunker, or a horse to know horseshit.
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#52
RE: Happy Birthday, Hitch!
(April 15, 2020 at 5:43 pm)Ranjr Wrote: What a silly, constrictive way to think.  You don't have to be chef to taste too much tarragon in the Bearnaise, or a musician to hear a clunker, or a horse to know horseshit.

We're lucky that most academics are silly and constrictive, then. Too bad they didn't notice your clever rules of thumb above.
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#53
RE: Happy Birthday, Hitch!
(April 15, 2020 at 5:59 pm)Klorophyll Wrote: We're lucky that most academics are silly and constrictive, then. Too bad they didn't notice your clever rules of thumb above.

This academic does not share your assessment of academics.  Shouldn't you be leafing?
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#54
RE: Happy Birthday, Hitch!
(April 15, 2020 at 10:55 am)Klorophyll Wrote: Hitchens is a journalist

I think Hitchens had been a journalist. By the time he wrote his polemics on (his image of) religion, he was not one any longer. 

A journalist is supposed to write in a disinterested way about things that really happened. 

Nor was he a philosopher, because philosophers reason as best they can so that later philosophers can evaluate and criticize. That's how philosophy works. But polemics resist criticism, and the people who are taken in by them ignore criticism. 

The Hitchens we're talking about has transcended the plane on which mortals are supposed to say true things and make sense. Mormons don't care that Joseph Smith's Egyptology was nonsense. Scientologists don't care that Hubbard wrote third rate science fiction. The people become sacred cows, and what they actually said hardly matters any more. Likewise Hitchens' shoddy scholarship and terrible politics are no longer relevant to the fanboys. 

He's a symbol of New Atheist superiority, and it doesn't matter if much of what he said was wrong.
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#55
RE: Happy Birthday, Hitch!
(April 15, 2020 at 6:13 pm)Ranjr Wrote:
(April 15, 2020 at 5:59 pm)Klorophyll Wrote: We're lucky that most academics are silly and constrictive, then. Too bad they didn't notice your clever rules of thumb above.

This academic does not share your assessment of academics.  Shouldn't you be leafing?

I think Chloroform has had too much leaf, personally...
Dying to live, living to die.
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#56
RE: Happy Birthday, Hitch!
(April 15, 2020 at 6:43 pm)The Valkyrie Wrote: I think Chloroform has had too much leaf, personally...

He was a budding philosopher but couldn't shake his preconceptions.
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#57
RE: Happy Birthday, Hitch!
(April 15, 2020 at 6:39 pm)Belacqua Wrote: I think Hitchens had been a journalist. By the time he wrote his polemics on (his image of) religion, he was not one any longer. 

A journalist is supposed to write in a disinterested way about things that really happened. 

Nor was he a philosopher, because philosophers reason as best they can so that later philosophers can evaluate and criticize. That's how philosophy works. But polemics resist criticism, and the people who are taken in by them ignore criticism. 

The Hitchens we're talking about has transcended the plane on which mortals are supposed to say true things and make sense. Mormons don't care that Joseph Smith's Egyptology was nonsense. Scientologists don't care that Hubbard wrote third rate science fiction. The people become sacred cows, and what they actually said hardly matters any more. Likewise Hitchens' shoddy scholarship and terrible politics are no longer relevant to the fanboys. 

He's a symbol of New Atheist superiority, and it doesn't matter if much of what he said was wrong.

That the supposed skeptics defend this guy recklessly is enough for me to look the other way. We're no longer dealing with honest, cute people looking for truths and evaluating arguments. Just a bunch of biased fools who think swagger and smarts, together with some rhetorical skill, are somewhat a substitute for raw facts.

I give Hitch the props for truly revealing what his admirers actually are : really fucking blind admirers.

Happy birthday, Hitch!
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#58
RE: Happy Birthday, Hitch!
(April 17, 2020 at 1:14 pm)Klorophyll Wrote: That the supposed skeptics defend this guy

Lol, "defend him". From what? When was he attacked?
teachings of the Bible are so muddled and self-contradictory that it was possible for Christians to happily burn heretics alive for five long centuries. It was even possible for the most venerated patriarchs of the Church, like St. Augustine and St. Thomas Aquinas, to conclude that heretics should be tortured (Augustine) or killed outright (Aquinas). Martin Luther and John Calvin advocated the wholesale murder of heretics, apostates, Jews, and witches. - Sam Harris, "Letter To A Christian Nation"
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#59
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God thinks it's fun to confuse primates. Larsen's God!






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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fopo9E7UAVQ
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