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RE: Roger Penrose is a hack
May 31, 2020 at 8:54 pm
To the OPS; pro-tip, if you post something people will most likely think it is, in actuality, what you think. Yes, you have a character forming on these forums but even so, due to Poe's law, it is difficult to detect sarcasm without obvious indicators like /sarcasm or a winky face or something.
Anyway, carry on.
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RE: Roger Penrose is a hack
May 31, 2020 at 9:10 pm
(May 31, 2020 at 8:54 pm)Rhizomorph13 Wrote: To the OPS; pro-tip, if you post something people will most likely think it is, in actuality, what you think. Yes, you have a character forming on these forums but even so, due to Poe's law, it is difficult to detect sarcasm without obvious indicators like /sarcasm or a winky face or something.
Anyway, carry on. Who says he's smart enough to be sarcastic on the matter
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RE: Roger Penrose is a hack
May 31, 2020 at 9:11 pm
(May 31, 2020 at 7:19 pm)Belacqua Wrote: (May 31, 2020 at 12:51 pm)brokenreflector Wrote: I just finished watching this disgusting video where "mathematician" and "physicist" Roger Penrose says there are three worlds. The physical world, the abstract world, and the mental world and that they're related and somehow interact with each other. Where is his proof that the abstract and mental world exist? And how could physical realities interact with non-physical realities?
What in the hell is this guy talking about? We all know from our Google research, YouTube videos, and skimming Wikipedia articles that there is only matter and energy. How can this guy call himself a scientist? Wow just wow.
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Is this the video you gave the link to?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H9Q6SWcTA9w
It's a fascinating talk.
I don't think he acknowledges it in the video, but the Three Worlds idea comes from Karl Popper. Here is the Wikipedia page on the subject.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Popper%27s_three_worlds
At the bottom of the Wiki page is a link to Popper's original paper on the subject. It's surprisingly short. (It wasn't opening for my computer, but my wifi is slow this time of day.)
http://tannerlectures.utah.edu/_document...pper80.pdf
The concept is both useful and challenging. Materialists should at least be aware of the ideas, and, if they're honest, think about how it affects their views. Theism is welcome here, dishonesty is not. Grow the fuck up and own your theism. Judas.
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RE: Roger Penrose is a hack
May 31, 2020 at 9:34 pm
(May 31, 2020 at 9:10 pm)SUNGULA Wrote: (May 31, 2020 at 8:54 pm)Rhizomorph13 Wrote: To the OPS; pro-tip, if you post something people will most likely think it is, in actuality, what you think. Yes, you have a character forming on these forums but even so, due to Poe's law, it is difficult to detect sarcasm without obvious indicators like /sarcasm or a winky face or something.
Anyway, carry on. Who says he's smart enough to be sarcastic on the matter
The OP is sarcasm. He said as much a few posts in. He regards the person he is apparently negative about as a worthy source of information.
He seems smart enough to me; obviously his religious views are not in accord with mine, but that doesn't mean he isn't smart.
I can think of a few dumb atheists...
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RE: Roger Penrose is a hack
May 31, 2020 at 9:35 pm
(May 31, 2020 at 9:34 pm)Rhizomorph13 Wrote: (May 31, 2020 at 9:10 pm)SUNGULA Wrote: Who says he's smart enough to be sarcastic on the matter
The OP is sarcasm. He said as much a few posts in. He regards the person he is apparently negative about as a worthy source of information.
He seems smart enough to me; obviously his religious views are not in accord with mine, but that doesn't mean he isn't smart.
I can think of a few dumb atheists... Oh he's not dumb because he's a theist .He's dumb because he's a WLC clone .
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RE: Roger Penrose is a hack
May 31, 2020 at 9:43 pm
(May 31, 2020 at 9:35 pm)SUNGULA Wrote: (May 31, 2020 at 9:34 pm)Rhizomorph13 Wrote: The OP is sarcasm. He said as much a few posts in. He regards the person he is apparently negative about as a worthy source of information.
He seems smart enough to me; obviously his religious views are not in accord with mine, but that doesn't mean he isn't smart.
I can think of a few dumb atheists... Oh he's not dumb because he's a theist .He's dumb because he's a WLC clone .
Again, I've read some of his posts. He's not dumb, just misguided. One can be incredibly smart AND monumentally wrong. I try to keep that in mind because I am pretty smart but I was a theist for most of my life. I won't have to say that once I reach 54.
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RE: Roger Penrose is a hack
May 31, 2020 at 9:45 pm
(May 31, 2020 at 9:43 pm)Rhizomorph13 Wrote: (May 31, 2020 at 9:35 pm)SUNGULA Wrote: Oh he's not dumb because he's a theist .He's dumb because he's a WLC clone .
Again, I've read some of his posts. He's not dumb, just misguided. One can be incredibly smart AND monumentally wrong. I try to keep that in mind because I am pretty smart but I was a theist for most of my life. I won't have to say that once I reach 54. Will just have to agree to disagree
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RE: Roger Penrose is a hack
May 31, 2020 at 9:56 pm
(May 31, 2020 at 9:43 pm)Rhizomorph13 Wrote: (May 31, 2020 at 9:35 pm)SUNGULA Wrote: Oh he's not dumb because he's a theist .He's dumb because he's a WLC clone .
Again, I've read some of his posts. He's not dumb, just misguided. One can be incredibly smart AND monumentally wrong. I try to keep that in mind because I am pretty smart but I was a theist for most of my life. I won't have to say that once I reach 54.
Read all of them. It may change your outlook.
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RE: Roger Penrose is a hack
May 31, 2020 at 9:56 pm
(May 31, 2020 at 9:45 pm)SUNGULA Wrote: (May 31, 2020 at 9:43 pm)Rhizomorph13 Wrote: Again, I've read some of his posts. He's not dumb, just misguided. One can be incredibly smart AND monumentally wrong. I try to keep that in mind because I am pretty smart but I was a theist for most of my life. I won't have to say that once I reach 54. Will just have to agree to disagree
That just means you're dumb. /sarcasm
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RE: Roger Penrose is a hack
June 1, 2020 at 1:36 pm
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(May 31, 2020 at 12:51 pm)brokenreflector Wrote: I just finished watching this disgusting video where "mathematician" and "physicist" Roger Penrose says there are three worlds. The physical world, the abstract world, and the mental world and that they're related and somehow interact with each other. Where is his proof that the abstract and mental world exist? And how could physical realities interact with non-physical realities?
What in the hell is this guy talking about? We all know from our Google research, YouTube videos, and skimming Wikipedia articles that there is only matter and energy. How can this guy call himself a scientist? Wow just wow.
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Perhaps he had the good sense not to label all of his opinions established science. Also abstract and mental doesn't mean nonphysical; those 'worlds' exist in our brains and it's no mystery how they affect the physical world: only be going through our bodies first.
I'm not anti-Christian. I'm anti-stupid.
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