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The Logistics of Reparations
#31
RE: The Logistics of Reparations
(June 24, 2020 at 5:18 pm)The Grand Nudger Wrote: Are you under the impression that being white or black has ever been about anything more than how people look, OLB?  Honestly, it's not always been about even that much.  Dark skinned brown eyed italians were black, but red headed blue eyed irishmen weren't white.  Now they're both white.  Such is the fiction of a white race.  The thing that has you so very economically anxious and concerned about racism has never been anything more or less than an obsession with a fantasy of race.  

The notion that we would even have to have a commission to determine who is and who aint black, or black enough, and by what metric...to effect meaningful reparations for slavery and our continued systemic issues is, itself, a fantasy.  Any hypothetical funds could simply be directed towards programs that produce the intended effects in marginalized communities.  No Race Panel required.

As ever, glad to clear things up for you.
Which exactly what a great many reparation advocates are asking for
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#32
RE: The Logistics of Reparations
You mean they aren't asking the government to determine who's black, blacker, and moar black than the next guy? Goodness gracious you'd think they'd want exactly that, or you would..if you were a mouth breathing racist obsessed with such things....I suppose.

Makes a guy wonder how many of these very white™ very anxious people would be willing to call themselves black to get a piece of that sweet, sweet government cheese.
It's bad for the rest of the world when americans are paid so little they can only afford chocolate mined by child slaves and clothes made in overseas sweatshops. - Robyn Pennacchia
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#33
RE: The Logistics of Reparations
(June 24, 2020 at 5:25 pm)The Grand Nudger Wrote: You mean they aren't asking the government to determine who's black, blacker, and moar black than the next guy?  Goodness gracious you'd think they'd want exactly that, or you would..if you were a mouth breathing racist obsessed with such things....I suppose.

Makes a guy wonder how many of these very white™ very anxious people would be willing to call themselves black to get a piece of that sweet, sweet government cheese.
No no i was talking about this 

Quote:Any hypothetical funds could simply be directed towards programs that produce the intended effects in marginalized communities.  No Race Panel required.
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#34
RE: The Logistics of Reparations
I know, lol. I just think that the idea that OLB is playing around with is so transparently inept it crosses the border of tragic and into funny.

It's clear that race obsessed economically anxious whites would like us to believe that being black is a financial advantage - but..strangely, that hasn't lead to any rush to check the african american box when applying for benefits. Either they know this isn't true, or they think it is, and their fictional race is such an important part of their identity that they decide to affirm it at personal cost to themselves.

There won't be any blackness panels for the same reason that there aren't any whiteness panels. It's fundamentally meaningless, and we don't need them.
It's bad for the rest of the world when americans are paid so little they can only afford chocolate mined by child slaves and clothes made in overseas sweatshops. - Robyn Pennacchia
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#35
RE: The Logistics of Reparations
(June 24, 2020 at 5:55 pm)The Grand Nudger Wrote: I know, lol.  I just think that the idea that OLB is playing around with is so transparently inept it crosses the border of tragic and into funny.  

It's clear that race obsessed economically anxious whites would like us to believe that being black is a financial advantage - but..strangely, that hasn't lead to any rush to check the african american box when applying for benefits.  Either they know this isn't true, or they think it is, and their fictional race is such an important part of their identity that they decide to affirm it at personal cost to themselves.  

There won't be any blackness panels for the same reason that there aren't any whiteness panels.  It's fundamentally meaningless, and we don't need them.
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#36
RE: The Logistics of Reparations
(June 24, 2020 at 5:23 pm)SUNGULA Wrote:
(June 24, 2020 at 5:18 pm)The Grand Nudger Wrote: Are you under the impression that being white or black has ever been about anything more than how people look, OLB?  Honestly, it's not always been about even that much.  Dark skinned brown eyed italians were black, but red headed blue eyed irishmen weren't white.  Now they're both white.  Such is the fiction of a white race.  The thing that has you so very economically anxious and concerned about racism has never been anything more or less than an obsession with a fantasy of race.  

The notion that we would even have to have a commission to determine who is and who aint black, or black enough, and by what metric...to effect meaningful reparations for slavery and our continued systemic issues is, itself, a fantasy.  Any hypothetical funds could simply be directed towards programs that produce the intended effects in marginalized communities.  No Race Panel required.

As ever, glad to clear things up for you.
Which exactly what a great many reparation advocates are asking for

And which makes it a far more appealing model than the "every black person gets a huge-ass check that's supposed to represent the money their ancestors would have made if they were actually paid" model that comes to a lot of minds when the subject comes up (including mine, to be honest.)

... well, at least to most people besides the crypto-racist and the "not with my money" Libertarian crowd:


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#37
RE: The Logistics of Reparations
Big checks probably don't help. Hell, OLB just got through telling us that all of his poor white anxious friends use their stimmy cash to buy guns. I assume they got a 40 while they were at it.
It's bad for the rest of the world when americans are paid so little they can only afford chocolate mined by child slaves and clothes made in overseas sweatshops. - Robyn Pennacchia
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#38
RE: The Logistics of Reparations
(June 24, 2020 at 9:41 pm)Rev. Rye Wrote:
(June 24, 2020 at 5:23 pm)SUNGULA Wrote: Which exactly what a great many reparation advocates are asking for

And which makes it a far more appealing model than the "every black person gets a huge-ass check that's supposed to represent the money their ancestors would have made if they were actually paid" model that comes to a lot of minds when the subject comes up (including mine, to be honest.)

... well, at least to most people besides the crypto-racist and the "not with my money" Libertarian crowd:


Ultimate response to those types is they benefit either directly or indirectly  in some fashion
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#39
RE: The Logistics of Reparations
Especially if it's the check.

Just where does wealth end up if not the hands of predatory vendors in majority communities? They say they run their own business and made their own money? Great, new customers to cheat.

In fairness to that set...whatever they may say about their money and what they will and wont accept other people doing with it, how much they will or wont pay - they're some of the best marks around, in my experience. It's not just my experience, either - study after study after study has shown that under a specific set of circumstances, people will gladly surrender more of their cash than you might ask of them. This is usually leveraged to make novel business models work, or to increase revenue for existing models while decreasing the overhead of pricing exploration, and..ofc, for promotions...but it has applications for taxation and funding proposals as well. If a customer (our stand-in for a recalcitrant taxpayer) believes that they can set their own price, and if this is coupled with the notion that some portion of whatever they pay will go to their own pet issues, and so long as you can manipulate basic psychological pressures like reciprocity and our desire to be seen as givers rather than takers - a person who might refuse a product (or proposal) at the imposed price of 1.00 is very likely to believe that they have voluntarily agreed to prices (or funding) in the range of..say, 6.50. Substantially increasing revenue and also building positive perception of the product or service (or proposal).

I know, it flies in the face of our intuitions, and obviously it doesn't fit with their rhetoric, but it's true nevertheless. So, really, all we have to do is make selfish assholes feel better about themselves and they'll make it rain benjamins down on our heads even as they count their pennies elsewhere. It's worth keeping in mind, especially if the government never manages to get off it's ass and do something. There are private sector opportunities to effect the same outcomes.

You don't even have to go get it, they'll bring it to you thinking that you're the sucker.
It's bad for the rest of the world when americans are paid so little they can only afford chocolate mined by child slaves and clothes made in overseas sweatshops. - Robyn Pennacchia
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#40
RE: The Logistics of Reparations
There are people still alive today who were directly damaged by Jim Crow. Compensating people for time served for crimes that were only crimes under Jim Crow should be a no-brainer.
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