That Gay Thread

[Rev. Rye]

Well, I need to get to work, so here are some highlights:

1) The Negro Project was a short-lived initiative by the Birth Control Federation of America to start black-run clinics to give black families access to birth control. Why? To quote a letter from Sanger from 1946:

"The Negro race has reached a place in its history when every possible effort should be made to have every Negro child count as a valuable contribution to the future of America. Negro parents, like all parents, must create the next generation from strength, not from weakness; from health, not from despair."

Paternalistic, yes, but this doesn't sound like some plan for black genocide. Also, the Negro Project only existed for three years and barely any of the original plan survived to be put into practice.

2) Norma McCorvey only claimed to have been raped early on in the process of seeking an abortion, mostly because she thought (erroneously) that Texas law at the time allowed an exception for rape victims. By the time she got to suing the state for her right to have an abortion, she stopped using the claim that she was raped. Indeed, judicial opinions on the case don't even mention that she once claimed she had been raped, which implies that, if rape factored into why the SCOTUS, or indeed, the district courts who heard it before them, made their decisions, it evidently wasn't even worth talking about to the justices.

[The Architect Of Fate]

Well, I need to get to work, so here are some highlights:

1) The Negro Project was a short-lived initiative by the Birth Control Federation of America to start black-run clinics to give black families access to birth control. Why? To quote a letter from Sanger from 1946:

"The Negro race has reached a place in its history when every possible effort should be made to have every Negro child count as a valuable contribution to the future of America. Negro parents, like all parents, must create the next generation from strength, not from weakness; from health, not from despair."

Paternalistic, yes, but this doesn't sound like some plan for black genocide. Also, the Negro Project only existed for three years and barely any of the original plan survived to be put into practice.

2) Norma McCorvey only claimed to have been raped early on in the process of seeking an abortion, mostly because she thought (erroneously) that Texas law at the time allowed an exception for rape victims. By the time she got to suing the state for her right to have an abortion, she stopped using the claim that she was raped. Indeed, judicial opinions on the case don't even mention that she once claimed she had been raped, which implies that, if rape factored into why the SCOTUS, or indeed, the district courts who heard it before them, made their decisions, it evidently wasn't even worth talking about to the justices.

Do I need to point out that Margeret Sanger was praised by none other than MLK who supported the concept of planned parenthood tell me was MLK an evil white supremacist? 

Family Planning - A Special and Urgent Concern by the Rev. Martin Luther King Jr.
Recently, the press has been filled with reports of sightings of flying saucers. While we need not give credence to these stories, they allow our imagination to speculate on how visitors from outer space would judge us. I am afraid they would be stupefied at our conduct. They would observe that for death planning we spend billions to create engines and strategies for war. They would also observe that we spend millions to prevent death by disease and other causes. Finally they would observe that we spend paltry sums for population planning, even though its spontaneous growth is an urgent threat to life on our planet. Our visitors from outer space could be forgiven if they reported home that our planet is inhabited by a race of insane men whose future is bleak and uncertain.
There is no human circumstance more tragic than the persisting existence of a harmful condition for which a remedy is readily available. Family planning, to relate population to world resources, is possible, practical and necessary. Unlike plagues of the dark ages or contemporary diseases we do not yet understand, the modern plague of overpopulation is soluble by means we have discovered and with resources we possess.
What is lacking is not sufficient knowledge of the solution but universal consciousness of the gravity of the problem and education of the billions who are its victims.
It is easier for a Negro to understand a social paradox because he has lived so long with evils that could be eradicated but were perpetuated by indifference or ignorance. The Negro finally had to devise unique methods to deal with his problem, and perhaps the measure of success he is realizing can be an inspiration to others coping with tenacious social problems.
In our struggle for equality we were confronted with the reality that many millions of people were essentially ignorant of our conditions or refused to face unpleasant truths. The hard-core bigot was merely one of our adversaries. The millions who were blind to our plight had to be compelled to face the social evil their indifference permitted to flourish.
After centuries of relative silence and enforced acceptance, we adapted a technique of exposing the problem by direct and dramatic methods. We had confidence that when we awakened the nation to the immorality and evil of inequality, there would be an upsurge of conscience followed by remedial action.
We knew that there were solutions and that the majority of the nation were ready for them. Yet we also knew that the existence of solutions would not automatically operate to alter conditions. We had to organize, not only arguments, but people in the millions for action. Finally we had to be prepared to accept all the consequences involved in dramatizing our grievances in the unique style we had devised.
There is a striking kinship between our movement and Margaret Sanger's early efforts. She, like we, saw the horrifying conditions of ghetto life. Like we, she knew that all of society is poisoned by cancerous slums. Like we, she was a direct actionist - a nonviolent resister. She was willing to accept scorn and abuse until the truth she saw was revealed to the millions. At the turn of the century she went into the slums and set up a birth control clinic, and for this deed she went to jail because she was violating an unjust law. Yet the years have justified her actions. She launched a movement which is obeying a higher law to preserve human life under humane conditions. Margaret Sanger had to commit what was then called a crime in order to enrich humanity, and today we honor her courage and vision; for without them there would have been no beginning. Our sure beginning in the struggle for equality by nonviolent direct action may not have been so resolute without the tradition established by Margaret Sanger and people like her. Negroes have no mere academic nor ordinary interest in family planning. They have a special and urgent concern.
Recently the subject of Negro family life has received extensive attention. Unfortunately, studies have overemphasized the problem of the Negro male ego and almost entirely ignored the most serious element - Negro migration. During the past half century Negroes have migrated on a massive scale, transplanting millions from rural communities to crammed urban ghettoes. In their migration, as with all migrants, they carried with them the folkways of the countryside into an inhospitable city slum. The size of family that may have been appropriate and tolerable on a manually cultivated farm was carried over to the jammed streets of the ghetto. In all respects Negroes were atomized, neglected and discriminated against. Yet, the worst omission was the absence of institutions to acclimate them to their new environment. Margaret Sanger, who offered an important institutional remedy, was unfortunately ignored by social and political leaders in this period. In consequence, Negro folkways in family size persisted. The problem was compounded when unrestrained exploitation and discrimination accented the bewilderment of the newcomer, and high rates of illegitimacy and fragile family relationships resulted.
For the Negro, therefore, intelligent guides of family planning are a profoundly important ingredient in his quest for security and a decent life. There are mountainous obstacles still separating Negroes from a normal existence. Yet one element in stabilizing his life would be an understanding of and easy access to the means to develop a family related in size to his community environment and to the income potential he can command.
This is not to suggest that the Negro will solve all his problems through Planned Parenthood. His problems are far more complex, encompassing economic security, education, freedom from discrimination, decent housing and access to culture. Yet if family planning is sensible it can facilitate or at least not be an obstacle to the solution of the many profound problems that plague him.
The Negro constitutes half the poor of the nation. Like all poor, Negro and white, they have many unwanted children. This is a cruel evil they urgently need to control. There is scarcely anything more tragic in human life than a child who is not wanted. That which should be a blessing becomes a curse for parent and child. There is nothing inherent in the Negro mentality which creates this condition. Their poverty causes it. When Negroes have been able to ascend economically, statistics reveal they plan their families with even greater care than whites. Negroes of higher economic and educational status actually have fewer children than white families in the same circumstances.
Some commentators point out that with present birth rates it will not be long before Negroes are a majority in many of the major cities of the nation. As a consequence, they can be expected to take political control, and many people are apprehensive at this prospect. Negroes do not seek political control by this means. They seek only what they are entitled to and do not wish for domination purchased at the cost of human misery. Negroes were once bred by slave owners to be sold as merchandise. They do not welcome any solution which involves population breeding as a weapon. They are instinctively sympathetic to all who offer methods that will improve their lives and offer them fair opportunity to develop and advance as all other people in our society.
For these reasons we are natural allies of those who seek to inject any form of planning in our society that enriches life and guarantees the right to exist in freedom and dignity.
For these constructive movements we are prepared to give our energies and consistent support; because in the need for family planning, Negro and white have a common bond; and together we can and should unite our strength for the wise preservation, not of races in general, but of the one race we all constitute - the human race.

[Huggy Bear]

Well, I need to get to work, so here are some highlights:

1) The Negro Project was a short-lived initiative by the Birth Control Federation of America to start black-run clinics to give black families access to birth control. Why? To quote a letter from Sanger from 1946:

"The Negro race has reached a place in its history when every possible effort should be made to have every Negro child count as a valuable contribution to the future of America. Negro parents, like all parents, must create the next generation from strength, not from weakness; from health, not from despair."

Paternalistic, yes, but this doesn't sound like some plan for black genocide. Also, the Negro Project only existed for three years and barely any of the original plan survived to be put into practice.

2) Norma McCorvey only claimed to have been raped early on in the process of seeking an abortion, mostly because she thought (erroneously) that Texas law at the time allowed an exception for rape victims. By the time she got to suing the state for her right to have an abortion, she stopped using the claim that she was raped. Indeed, judicial opinions on the case don't even mention that she once claimed she had been raped, which implies that, if rape factored into why the SCOTUS, or indeed, the district courts who heard it before them, made their decisions, it evidently wasn't even worth talking about to the justices.

Hitler, The Ku Klux Klan, and Margaret Sanger

Remove statues of Margaret Sanger, Planned Parenthood founder tied to eugenics and racism

McCorvey maintained that she was raped up until 1987, long after the Roe v Wade decision.

Yeah, this crew totally never factored in the gang rape of a white woman by black men in their decision on allowing abortion.🤣

[LadyForCamus]

@Huggy Bear

This is…a bizarre take. One thing we can agree on is that Steve King is a racist POS. Aside from that, I’m not sure this is an answer to my question so much as a bizarre conspiracy theory about black genocide that has absolutely nothing at all to do with LGBTQ advocacy. Why would you take one organization that donates to LGBTQ causes and generalize your subjective speculations about that group’s motives across the totality of the pro-LGBTQ rights movement? That’s wholly irrational.

It’s weird that when I asked you why the LGBTQ community and its advocates lobby and champion for equal rights, your answer didn’t contain a single word about the members of the LGBTQ community. Do you always make everything about yourself? Are you saying that the pro-LGBTQ movement is some kind of Trojan Horse used to advance black genocide? You realize that dehumanizes and delegitimizes every member of that group like they’re not even real people, right? You’re cool with that?

[The Architect Of Fate]

Sigh 

1. She spoke with the KKK because they were willing to listen to her
https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/20...as-active/


2. She wasn't a Nazi and opposed the Nazi party 
https://www.npr.org/sections/itsallpolit...population

3. Your claims about McCorvey refuted
https://www.factcheck.org/2018/10/rape-w...-decision/

https://www.washingtonpost.com/archive/l...db0ad3d2f/

And a debunking of all these points  again 
https://rewirenewsgroup.com/article/2015...ack-women/

And again 

https://www.factcheck.org/2011/11/cains-...arenthood/

https://www.plannedparenthood.org/files/...Sanger.pdf

https://sangerpapers.wordpress.com/categ...-american/

https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/20...anned-gen/

https://escholarship.org/content/qt0988p...88p9xp.pdf

https://www.supremecourt.gov/opinions/UR...-483-1.pdf

https://politicalresearch.org/2010/04/29...re-emerges

[Huggy Bear]

Sigh 

1. She with the KKK because they were willing to listen to her and she would talk to anyone 
https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/20...as-active/


2. She wasn't a Nazi and opposed the Nazi party 
https://www.npr.org/sections/itsallpolit...population

3. Your claims about McCorvey refuted
https://www.factcheck.org/2018/10/rape-w...-decision/

https://www.washingtonpost.com/archive/l...db0ad3d2f/

In a December 10, 1939 letter to Dr. Clarence Gamble of the Eugenics Society, in the context of discussing the Negro Project, which she developed in concert with white birth-control reformers, Sanger wrote: “We do not want word to get out that we want to exterminate the Negro population and the minister is the man who can straighten out the idea if it ever occurs to any of their more rebellious members.”  http://www.cnsnews.com/commentary/dr-pau...ger-racist 

On blacks, immigrants and indigents:
"...human weeds,' 'reckless breeders,' 'spawning... human beings who never should have been born."  Margaret Sanger, Pivot of Civilization, referring to immigrants and poor people

On sterilization & racial purification:
Sanger believed that, for the purpose of racial "purification," couples should be rewarded who chose sterilization. Birth Control in America, The Career of Margaret Sanger, by David Kennedy, p. 117, quoting a 1923 Sanger speech.

On the right of married couples to bear children:
Couples should be required to submit applications to have a child, she wrote in her "Plan for Peace." Birth Control Review, April 1932

On the purpose of birth control:
The purpose in promoting birth control was "to create a race of thoroughbreds," she wrote in the Birth Control Review, Nov. 1921 (p. 2)

Sanger espoused the thinking of eugenicists -- similar to Darwin's "survival of the fittest" -- but related the concept to human society, saying the genetic makeup of the poor, and minorities, for example, was inferior. Pivot of Civilization, by Margaret Sanger, 1922, p. 80

I like how you're defending a well known eugenicscist.
Eugenics after world war two was considered a crime against humanity.

http://eugenicsarchive.ca/discover/encyc...dda4000001

GENOCIDE


The United Nations adopted a Convention on the Prevention and Punishment of the Crime of Genocide in 1948. Under this Convention, genocide consists of certain enumerated act that, when committed, have the intent of destroying a national, ethnic, racial, or religious group as such, in whole or in part. Of the enumerated acts that appear under Article II, (a) Killing members of the group can include the committal of murder or its equivalent; (b) Causing serious bodily or mental harm to members of the group can include mutilation, torture or other forms of violence which might lead to death, as well as the intentional causing of mental suffering by methods that do not impair physical health, whether through narcotics or other means; © Deliberately inflicting conditions of life calculated to bring about the physical destruction of a group, in whole or in part; prohibits the imposition of conditions which are likely to result in death; (d) Imposing measures to prevent births within the group encompasses castration, compulsory abortion, sterilization and the segregation of sexes; and (e) Forcibly transferring children from one group to another where they might be instilled with alien customs, languages, religions and values is considered the corollary to the prevention of births, and is tantamount to the eradication of the next generation. To carry out practices that fall under one or all of these enumerated acts can constitute genocide under international law.

Claims of genocide have been made by other groups who have been described as racially inferior and subject to violence and/or coercive interventions because of their group membership. However, because these instances are not always accompanied by the killing of large numbers of civilians, or because the intent to destroy the group as such is sometimes difficult to prove, they are not necessarily acknowledged as instances of genocide. For example, an element of the Black population in the United States has alleged genocide in response to state and other attempts at regulating the reproduction of African American women (see Weisborg 1975), attempts which were legitimized by the eugenics movement. For instance, out of approximately 7000 sterilizations performed under the eugenic sterilization policies enacted in North Carolina between the 1930s to the 1970s, about 5000 of these were performed on Black women. Other initiatives, like the Negro Project, which sought specifically to distribute birth control in African American communities, are often said to have been motivated by eugenic concerns or efforts to control the population of those considered a burden to the state. Policies like these are viewed as attempts to impose measures to prevent births within the group.

[The Architect Of Fate]

My links above address all these points 

[Huggy Bear]

@Huggy Bear

This is…a bizarre take. One thing we can agree on is that Steve King is a racist POS. Aside from that, I’m not sure this is an answer to my question so much as a bizarre conspiracy theory about black genocide that has absolutely nothing at all to do with LGBTQ advocacy. Why would you take one organization that donates to LGBTQ causes and generalize your subjective speculations about that group’s motives across the totality of the pro-LGBTQ rights movement? That’s wholly irrational.

It’s weird that when I asked you why the LGBTQ community and its advocates lobby and champion for equal rights, your answer didn’t contain a single word about the members of the LGBTQ community. Do you always make everything about yourself? Are you saying that the pro-LGBTQ movement is some kind of Trojan Horse used to advance black genocide? You realize that dehumanizes and delegitimizes every member of that group like they’re not even real people, right? You’re cool with that?

There no conspiracy theory here, everything I said is 100 percent fact.

Was the negro project a racist organization? Yes

Did was Dr. Clarence Gamble of Proctor and Gamble involved with the Negto project? Yes

Was William R. Kenan Sr. A white supremacist involved in the mass murder of black people? Yes

Three organizations and the one thing they have in common is the mass murder of black people. You think that's something that should be overlooked?

[The Architect Of Fate]

No, what's actually happened here is you have spun a weird narrative trying to link LGBT people to genocide most of which my links above deal with  

[LadyForCamus]

@Huggy Bear

This is…a bizarre take. One thing we can agree on is that Steve King is a racist POS. Aside from that, I’m not sure this is an answer to my question so much as a bizarre conspiracy theory about black genocide that has absolutely nothing at all to do with LGBTQ advocacy. Why would you take one organization that donates to LGBTQ causes and generalize your subjective speculations about that group’s motives across the totality of the pro-LGBTQ rights movement? That’s wholly irrational.

It’s weird that when I asked you why the LGBTQ community and its advocates lobby and champion for equal rights, your answer didn’t contain a single word about the members of the LGBTQ community. Do you always make everything about yourself? Are you saying that the pro-LGBTQ movement is some kind of Trojan Horse used to advance black genocide? You realize that dehumanizes and delegitimizes every member of that group like they’re not even real people, right? You’re cool with that?

There no conspiracy theory here, everything I said is 100 percent fact.

Was the negro project a racist organization? Yes

Did was Dr. Clarence Gamble of Proctor and Gamble involved with the Negto project? Yes

Was William R. Kenan Sr. A white supremacist involved in the mass murder of black people? Yes

Three organizations and the one thing they have in common is the mass murder of black people. You think that's something that should be overlooked?

I think maybe you should explain with some evidence what this has to do with the pro-LGBTQ movement, since that’s what the question was about. I mean…?