Big Bang in Beruit

[WinterHold]

I'm sorry for the hardships you have to endure as a Lebanese.
That's what you get when governments are led by weak corrupt people; but ain't that the story of our whole Arab world?

But take it from me: Lebanon will never rise before ousting Hezbollah, the army generals and the drug gangs that rule the country. Stay safe.

I agree that Hezbollah doesn’t exactly qualify as a force for good.

Why did you call me a liar?

Boru

You are illiterate because bombs can do even bigger explosions; but let's hear what American officials said -from a documented; authentic source-:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2020_Beiru...Explosions

The Lebanese Broadcasting Corporation International said that, according to attendees of a Higher Defence Council briefing, the fire was ignited by workers welding a door at a warehouse.[66][67] A former port worker said, "There were 30 to 40 nylon bags of fireworks inside warehouse 12 ..."[68] An American diplomatic cable on 7 August stated that it "remains unclear...whether fireworks, ammunition or something else stored next to the ammonium nitrate might have been involved" in worsening the warehouse fire and igniting the ammonium nitrate.[69]

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So a C4 could have been stored; ammunition too; bombs; maybe warehouse 12 was a warehouse to store military garbage. The existence of such warehouse leads us to the amount of corruption in the government, the amount of the military generals' usage of the country's land, while Lebanese people had no food to eat; Hezbollah and the army generals were stacking garbage enough to cause such explosion.

Aside from that, earlier on the link, an army dog general admitted:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2020_Beiru...Explosions

There were warehouses in the port that stored explosives and chemicals including nitrates, common components of fertilizers and explosives.[63] The General Director of General Security, Major General Abbas Ibrahim, stated that ammonium nitrate confiscated from Rhosus had exploded.[64][28] The 2,750 tonnes (3,030 short tons) of ammonium nitrate was the equivalent to around 1,155 tonnes of TNT (4,830 gigajoules).[65]

[url=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2020_Beirut_explosions#cite_note-68]
The army. Our curse as Arabs today is armies and generals.

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Accident my ass. Somebody blew that storehouse on purpose, but whom ?

[BrianSoddingBoru4]

I agree that Hezbollah doesn’t exactly qualify as a force for good.

Why did you call me a liar?

Boru

You are illiterate because bombs can do even bigger explosions; but let's hear what American officials said -from a documented; authentic source-:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2020_Beiru...Explosions

The Lebanese Broadcasting Corporation International said that, according to attendees of a Higher Defence Council briefing, the fire was ignited by workers welding a door at a warehouse.[66][67] A former port worker said, "There were 30 to 40 nylon bags of fireworks inside warehouse 12 ..."[68] An American diplomatic cable on 7 August stated that it "remains unclear...whether fireworks, ammunition or something else stored next to the ammonium nitrate might have been involved" in worsening the warehouse fire and igniting the ammonium nitrate.[69]

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So a C4 could have been stored; ammunition too; bombs; maybe warehouse 12 was a warehouse to store military garbage. The existence of such warehouse leads us to the amount of corruption in the government, the amount of the military generals' usage of the country's land, while Lebanese people had no food to eat; Hezbollah and the army generals were stacking garbage enough to cause such explosion.

Aside from that, earlier on the link, an army dog general admitted:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2020_Beiru...Explosions

There were warehouses in the port that stored explosives and chemicals including nitrates, common components of fertilizers and explosives.[63] The General Director of General Security, Major General Abbas Ibrahim, stated that ammonium nitrate confiscated from Rhosus had exploded.[64][28] The 2,750 tonnes (3,030 short tons) of ammonium nitrate was the equivalent to around 1,155 tonnes of TNT (4,830 gigajoules).[65]

[url=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2020_Beirut_explosions#cite_note-68]
The army. Our curse as Arabs today is armies and generals.

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Accident my ass. Somebody blew that storehouse on purpose, but whom ?

I didn't ask why you called me illiterate (which is a charge that cannot have any basis in fact), I asked why you called me a liar.  What I said that prompted that childish reaction from you was

Of course he was, but he was also stating that it was a bomb. There’s not a single conventional military bomb in existence that could do what happened in Beirut.

This is an absolutely factual statement. Read the phrase 'single conventional military bomb'.  Read it over and over until it sinks in to that thick fucking skull of yours.  Better still, write it down on a slip of paper, and take it round to friends and ask them what it means.

-A warehouse full of ammonium nitrate isn't a 'single conventional military bomb'.

-A warehouse full of ammunition isn't a 'single conventional military bomb'.

-A warehouse full of fireworks, C4, fuel oil, detonators, primer cord, gunpowder, mercury fulminate and explosive dildoes isn't a 'single conventional military bomb'.

The largest 'single conventional military bomb' in existence is the Russian FOAB. Although experts dispute the claimed yield for this 'Father Of All Bombs' the Russians claim it is equivalent to 44 000 pounds of TNT. The Beirut explosion is estimated to have been a 1.2KT explosion.  That's the equivalent of more than 50 FOABs.

Please point out how ANY of that is a lie. (Alternately, you could simply apologize and we'll be done with this)

Boru

[WinterHold]

You are illiterate because bombs can do even bigger explosions; but let's hear what American officials said -from a documented; authentic source-:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2020_Beiru...Explosions


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So a C4 could have been stored; ammunition too; bombs; maybe warehouse 12 was a warehouse to store military garbage. The existence of such warehouse leads us to the amount of corruption in the government, the amount of the military generals' usage of the country's land, while Lebanese people had no food to eat; Hezbollah and the army generals were stacking garbage enough to cause such explosion.

Aside from that, earlier on the link, an army dog general admitted:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2020_Beiru...Explosions

[url=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2020_Beirut_explosions#cite_note-68]
The army. Our curse as Arabs today is armies and generals.

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Accident my ass. Somebody blew that storehouse on purpose, but whom ?

I didn't ask why you called me illiterate (which is a charge that cannot have any basis in fact), I asked why you called me a liar.  What I said that prompted that childish reaction from you was

Because military weapons do more damage than that, and we saw what these weapons can do in 1945.
Yet again we saw what they can do in 1990 (usage of depleted uranium ammo by the U.S).
Armies around the globe keep their weapon systems a secret; so FOABs and MOABs are just for show; they have worse and humanity did see that worse before.
You are a liar because you keep your head in the sand and repeat what armies around the globe tell you.

Of course he was, but he was also stating that it was a bomb. There’s not a single conventional military bomb in existence that could do what happened in Beirut.

This is an absolutely factual statement. Read the phrase 'single conventional military bomb'.  Read it over and over until it sinks in to that thick fucking skull of yours.  Better still, write it down on a slip of paper, and take it round to friends and ask them what it means.

-A warehouse full of ammonium nitrate isn't a 'single conventional military bomb'.

-A warehouse full of ammunition isn't a 'single conventional military bomb'.

-A warehouse full of fireworks, C4, fuel oil, detonators, primer cord, gunpowder, mercury fulminate and explosive dildoes isn't a 'single conventional military bomb'.

The largest 'single conventional military bomb' in existence is the Russian FOAB. Although experts dispute the claimed yield for this 'Father Of All Bombs' the Russians claim it is equivalent to 44 000 pounds of TNT. The Beirut explosion is estimated to have been a 1.2KT explosion.  That's the equivalent of more than 50 FOABs.

Please point out how ANY of that is a lie. (Alternately, you could simply apologize and we'll be done with this)

Boru

I love the word "conventional" that makes any person pointing to the truth -documented by historical evidence- a conspiracy theorist.
Keep your head in the sand; I say.

[The Grand Nudger]

How many nukes and du rounds, in addition to this secret big bomb, did it take for the jews to knock down the building?

[BrianSoddingBoru4]

I didn't ask why you called me illiterate (which is a charge that cannot have any basis in fact), I asked why you called me a liar.  What I said that prompted that childish reaction from you was

Because military weapons do more damage than that, and we saw what these weapons can do in 1945.
Yet again we saw what they can do in 1990 (usage of depleted uranium ammo by the U.S).
Armies around the globe keep their weapon systems a secret; so FOABs and MOABs are just for show; they have worse and humanity did see that worse before.
You are a liar because you keep your head in the sand and repeat what armies around the globe tell you.

This is an absolutely factual statement. Read the phrase 'single conventional military bomb'.  Read it over and over until it sinks in to that thick fucking skull of yours.  Better still, write it down on a slip of paper, and take it round to friends and ask them what it means.

-A warehouse full of ammonium nitrate isn't a 'single conventional military bomb'.

-A warehouse full of ammunition isn't a 'single conventional military bomb'.

-A warehouse full of fireworks, C4, fuel oil, detonators, primer cord, gunpowder, mercury fulminate and explosive dildoes isn't a 'single conventional military bomb'.

The largest 'single conventional military bomb' in existence is the Russian FOAB. Although experts dispute the claimed yield for this 'Father Of All Bombs' the Russians claim it is equivalent to 44 000 pounds of TNT. The Beirut explosion is estimated to have been a 1.2KT explosion.  That's the equivalent of more than 50 FOABs.

Please point out how ANY of that is a lie. (Alternately, you could simply apologize and we'll be done with this)

Boru

I love the word "conventional" that makes any person pointing to the truth -documented by historical evidence- a conspiracy theorist.
Keep your head in the sand; I say.

I never called you a conspiracy theorist, and I don't think you are one.

In military terms, 'conventional' is used to denote common military practices, generally to distinguish them from nuclear or guerilla warfare.  For the purposes of this thread 'conventional military bomb' means 'non-nuclear bomb'.

So, when I said that 'There’s not a single conventional military bomb in existence that could do what happened in Beirut', I was referring to non-nuclear weapons produced or maintained by military forces. This was to counter your assertion that a single bomb, similar to a MOAB, did what was done in Beirut.  That's simply not possible. Even if the explosion was triggered deliberately (and that's still a very real possibility), it was an unconventional bomb, not a conventional one.

You are a liar because you keep your head in the sand and repeat what armies around the globe tell you.

If true (and I've already told you that it isn't), this would make me ignorant, not a liar.

I hope this clears it up for you, and I'm still waiting for you to apologize.

Boru

[Abaddon_ire]

Sigh. Some of my immediate family have served in the Leb. What people think it is is not what it actually is.

I will give a TLDR version. Lebanese gov incompetence placed three things in the same place. An anfo warehouse, their grain store and a fireworks factory.

Well that was smart right?

Now they have no port, just a honking great crater. This means that any aid cannot be landed Have you seen the astonishing hole? I can hand it to anyone, but I am wondering if you realise just how fucked Beirut really is?

Lebanon always gets the shitty end of the stick. The Israelis kick the shit out of them, so do the Syrians when they actually had a country, and the Egyptians and take your pick.

Every time they look even vaguely close to digging themselves out of that pit of oblivion, some religious loon drags them back in.

I like their culture, cuisine and whatnot. The religious want to kill it.

[HappySkeptic]

So, when I said that 'There’s not a single conventional military bomb in existence that could do what happened in Beirut', I was referring to non-nuclear weapons produced or maintained by military forces. This was to counter your assertion that a single bomb, similar to a MOAB, did what was done in Beirut.  That's simply not possible. Even if the explosion was triggered deliberately (and that's still a very real possibility), it was an unconventional bomb, not a conventional one.

The Beirut explosion is comparable to the Halifax explosion of 1917.  That one was equivalent to 2.9 KTons, so in fact larger than Beirut.