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Nigerian scam. RELIGION.
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RE: Nigerian scam. RELIGION.
(September 11, 2020 at 10:24 am)Brian37 Wrote:
(September 10, 2020 at 8:37 pm)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote: The article wasn’t about religion, it was about a man arrested for running afoul of anti-blasphemy laws.

I’m on his side as well - I support freedom of religion (probably more than you do). But religion being a scam has nothing to do with the article. No, he should not have been arrested for criticizing religion, but - again - that’s not the point of the article.

Let’s try an analogy. Suppose I believe that the banking system is a fraud. I know it is illegal to rob a bank, but I do so anyway. Is my arrest for bank robbery a ‘scam’?

Boru

How can one run "afoul" of anti-blasphemy laws?

Since when should it be illegal to criticize any religion?

Who did he rob? He merely questioned religion, and offended people.

It's a law.  He broke that law. 

Can you really not understand something that simple?

If you agree with the law or not doesn't matter if it's on the books in that place.  The fact that it isn't a law here, yet, doesn't mean it's not a law in other countries and there are penalties for breaking the law.
 “Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity; and I’m not sure about the universe.” ~Albert Einstein                                                 
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#12
RE: Nigerian scam. RELIGION.
(September 11, 2020 at 10:24 am)Brian37 Wrote:
(September 10, 2020 at 8:37 pm)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote: The article wasn’t about religion, it was about a man arrested for running afoul of anti-blasphemy laws.

I’m on his side as well - I support freedom of religion (probably more than you do). But religion being a scam has nothing to do with the article. No, he should not have been arrested for criticizing religion, but - again - that’s not the point of the article.

Let’s try an analogy. Suppose I believe that the banking system is a fraud. I know it is illegal to rob a bank, but I do so anyway. Is my arrest for bank robbery a ‘scam’?

Boru

How can one run "afoul" of anti-blasphemy laws?

Since when should it be illegal to criticize any religion?

Who did he rob? He merely questioned religion, and offended people.


You can run afoul of anti-blasphemy laws by knowingly breaking them. I should have thought that was pretty obvious.

It should NOT be illegal to criticize any religion. Anti-blasphemy laws are stupid, childish and undemocratic. This man’s arrest was morally wrong because he broke an unjust law. I’m not defending his arrest. I’m just saying that it wasn’t a scam (that’s a word you might want to look up).

As far as I know, he didn’t rob anyone at all. Even if he had, it would have had nothing to do with his arrest for blasphemy. I brought up bank robbery as a purely hypothetical analogy. Since you don’t seem to understand what I was getting at, I’ll expand it a little.

Suppose I can make the case that robbing a bank is not immoral and should not be illegal, that it’s actually a net positive for society. Depositors are insured, so they lose no money. The bank is insured, so they lose no money. It gives people something to read about in the papers and provides the people there at the time with an exciting story to tell, and maybe even a spot on the evening news. It occupies the police and gets them out of the doughnut shops for a bit. 

But even with all this, the laws against bank robbery are still on the books. I know about these laws, but I go ahead and rob the bank all the same, for which I am arrested. My arrest may be morally unjust, but it is still legally proper.

This is precisely what happened with the man in your story. He knew what he was doing was illegal and that was likely to be arrested for it, but he was courageous enough to take the risk all the same.

It wasn’t a scam.

Boru
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#13
RE: Nigerian scam. RELIGION.
(September 11, 2020 at 11:36 am)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote: It should NOT be illegal to criticize any religion. Anti-blasphemy laws are stupid, childish and undemocratic. This man’s arrest was morally wrong because he broke an unjust law. I’m not defending his arrest. I’m just saying that it wasn’t a scam (that’s a word you might want to look up).

I agree that it should NOT be illegal.  It is against the principles of a liberal democracy that believes in personal rights and freedoms.

But, it doesn't conflict with an il-liberal democracy.  Democracy can be the will of the mob, and the mob doesn't like their beliefs questioned.
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#14
RE: Nigerian scam. RELIGION.
(September 11, 2020 at 1:27 pm)HappySkeptic Wrote:
(September 11, 2020 at 11:36 am)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote: It should NOT be illegal to criticize any religion. Anti-blasphemy laws are stupid, childish and undemocratic. This man’s arrest was morally wrong because he broke an unjust law. I’m not defending his arrest. I’m just saying that it wasn’t a scam (that’s a word you might want to look up).

I agree that it should NOT be illegal.  It is against the principles of a liberal democracy that believes in personal rights and freedoms.

But, it doesn't conflict with an il-liberal democracy.  Democracy can be the will of the mob, and the mob doesn't like their beliefs questioned.

Fair point.

Boru
‘Let me never fall into the vulgar mistake of dreaming that I am persecuted whenever I am contradicted.’ Ralph Waldo Emerson
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RE: Nigerian scam. RELIGION.
(September 10, 2020 at 7:59 pm)Brian37 Wrote: Atheists are not well liked in the west, or even in states like Russia or Iran or Saudi Arabia. But even in Africa atheists have a hard time.

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/08/25/world...islam.html

I guarantee you that it isnt Christians doing this. These are Muslim nations, I doubt Russia is one of those states, the opposite seems to happen there.
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