Trump vs Biden debate

[Gawdzilla Sama]

A friend, PoliSci prof., likened it to Anne Boleyn, head on the block, demanding the axeman respect her.

[Secular Elf]

Didn't watch.  Wouldn't watch. These things aren't debates.

Boru

My sentiments exactly. I did not care to watch, did not watch, and will not watch any future debates with Cheeto-head in them. He makes me sick. Cannot stand to look at him or listen to his damn voice. Everyone should know what to expect from this petulant scumbag. I'm with Joe Biden and Kamala Harris all the way. At least they have the decency to care about issues, be informed, and be civil.

[BrianSoddingBoru4]

There was no clear winner, but there was a clear loser.


Us.

Um no, Biden won. Not in an "Obama v Mitt" "Go right ahead" moment, no.

But between Trump acting like a petulant asshole childish brat, and Chris constantly admonishing him, Biden won by simply letting the fucker hang himself. 

But in a general sense, I have to agree, nobody wins in either party when the process get's turned into an episode of Jerry Springer or WWE. 

But this to me hurt Trump far more. And that to me is a good thing for us.

Um, no. It didn’t hurt Trump. Not at all. Not in any imaginable definition of the word ‘hurt’. This non-debate was a non-event.

Boru

[Secular Elf]

There was no clear winner, but there was a clear loser.


Us.

I am afraid that you are right. We in America are in a dangerous time right now. Our republic, our democratic institutions have been under attack from the Right Wing for a very long time. Trump in office is their wet dream come true. He has no intentions of leaving office because he is very entrenched in his own insane vision of who he is and his own propaganda. Win or lose, Cheeto-head is going to dig in. There is going to be a Constitutional crisis. That is just as sure as the Earth revolves around the Sun. We The People may have to take matters in our own hands to save our country. And we better had be prepared to do that.

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There was no clear winner, but there was a clear loser.


Us.

Nope. I won by exercising my right as a free citizen in a free country to watch 90 minutes of Three Stooges shorts.

Boru

You better enjoy that while it lasts, Boru.

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Um no, Biden won. Not in an "Obama v Mitt" "Go right ahead" moment, no.

But between Trump acting like a petulant asshole childish brat, and Chris constantly admonishing him, Biden won by simply letting the fucker hang himself. 

But in a general sense, I have to agree, nobody wins in either party when the process get's turned into an episode of Jerry Springer or WWE. 

But this to me hurt Trump far more. And that to me is a good thing for us.

There aren't enough people who haven't made up their minds who they are voting for.  At this point, the debates are just for show.  The election is just over a month away and if Trump hasn't turned a person off by now then having a screaming tantrum, like we've come to expect, isn't going to accomplish anything.

It was either on PBS News Hour or Third Hour of Today this morning that one of the reporters stated that 11% of voters are undecided. And I am sitting here thinking, what the hell are you so damn undecided about? The man is a self-important, arrogant, treasonous piece of trash. He is not going to change. America is on a fast train to dictatorship. It makes me question that they have a damn brain!

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Trumpanizes will see what they want to see and literally make up what they saw. The reality is Trump came across as a schoolyard bully and unpresedential. These networks hosting these debates need to grow a sack and start cutting mics. Or are they too scared of Trumpies getting mad at them? Also they need to do fact checks during the debate. Kind of like how the hosts on CSPAN do with callers.

That's not true, it's a comfortable lie that the american left tells themselves about the american right.  In reality, they know that he's using them just as well as he knows that they are using him.  They don't really live in an alternative reality making up what they see - they like what they see as-is, and all of the junk you bicker with them about is them flat out trolling you.  They know that too, they pride themselves on it.

They're not actually crazy, they're not delusional...they're something else, something worse, something that we refuse to name.  We'd rather believe that they were crazy, as americans and as their family,...because that would be better...than accepting them for what they are.

There are two names for the them: fascists and racists. The two usually go hand in hand.

[DeistPaladin]

After the debate was over, I apologized to my wife for suggesting we watch it together. It was nearly unwatchable. I'd say Trump lost because he was so out of control and had to be admonished numerous times by the moderator. Biden could have been stronger at points but Trump hung himself. 

The biggest moment of the night was Trump telling his brownshirts to "stand by", whatever that means.

[Drich]

Honestly Biden held it together a lot longer than i thought he could. he at least gave me hope he could hold his own and lead longer than the 6 months i thought he had in him before harris would have to take of as head puppet. I think his best moment was the whole medicare thing.. they/he and christ were clearly working together (chris stopped trump several times to save biden from trump's attack, and set trump up for bident to attack)

as chris wallace framed out a 'need for trump to present a obama style like plan,' when in fact trump's plan is to bring down the cost of things like prescription drugs and revamp the system and costs so that medical insurance due to the reduced cost of doing business will come down to affordable levels on it's own.. That is the trump plan but chris and biden would not allow trump to properly explain or flesh out his plan because they just kept repeating their artifical need for a congress backed plan.. when again trump plan is to fix the over priced medical system and allow the market/competition bring down the costs naturally.

the next big biden get was one sided portrayal of debt with china.. he framed it out as if we were hopelessly indebt with china. when in fact the chinese are waiting us out for this election. they suspended all talks in trade till after the election as a means to try and get trump out of office. but once trump is reelected china will have to come back to the table as they can not go 4 more years with american food stores. again the moderator and biden together worked to keep trump off topic.. anyone who knows wasn't fooled..

other wise trump owned biden.. how many times did biden flub his numbers? how many times did biden say "awe common man" or here's the deal these are all verbal pauses/mental resets. the more stressed he got the more times a subject he said one of these things. then trump beat him back to the point were he stopped listening all together and just kept repeating it all lies it been disproven it all lies. for instance he said hunter was dishonorably discharged for cocaine use "biden: all lie he was not... then he said everyone knows someone with a drug problem... or when trump said biden said clap you dumb asses, again biden came back stating it was all lies.. then trump brough up breesma where biden quid pro que demanded that the leader of the ukraine fire a special prosecutor that was investigating his son for taking a job with a natural gas company for millions of dollars with no experience. the ukraine was placed on hold for over a billion dollars is US aid by biden till this prosecutor was fired and the case dropped. biden is on video telling and laughing about this story. then hunter was observed taking millions from a chinese bank while his father was meeting with the president of china in official business. and again millions more with the mayor of moscow's wife. everything they accused trump of doing dealing with the chinese black mailing the ukraine was all biden..

then trump really put the nail into biden when he pointed out they have video of clinton working with a russian spy to accuse trump of dealing with russia to tamper with democratic votes. which lead to his whole impeachment bs. that he also had proof not only was obama breifed on this but push through some of the legal aspects to get warrants to spy on trump. then the big bombshell was when he told biden he has proof that he was the one/biden was the one who framed michael flinn the four star general who was to be trump secretary of defense with breaking the logan act. this four star general was arrested charged with treason and dishonorably discharged because of biden's own personal actions. what was completely telling was when trump said they had proof it was him his eyes dropped and facial expression went into the ground.

Girls and boys these actions alone committed by clinton, biden and obama alone is literally a conspiracy by definition of a cue attempt, and attempt to hold on to power. they did what they are accusing trump of doing! what's more trump's people have all the poof they need to bring charges. I honestly think just before or on election day if not biden himself clinton and or obama will be charged and asked to turn themselves in. these acts are of treason. If biden is a real threat of winning he too may be asked to come in.

[Divinity]

Chris Wallace gave Donald Trump bases loaded, 3 balls, 0 strikes, and threw a ball that went so far right that it went into the coach's box. And Trump still swung.

What a fucking embarassment. Anyone with half a brain can see that he did fucking terrible.

[Sal]

@Drich will you condemn white supremacy?

Or are you standing back and standing by?

[Anomalocaris]

No, if there is a match in shouting, then even if brain dead, the democracy still has a heart beat.   

The right wing might try to make the corpse of democracy twitch from time to time with strings all pulled with their hands, but they don’t care for the body to actually have any autonomous heart beat.   Just look at Putin’s russia. 

If tramp gets a second term, he will probably also get a third, in darkness.

Convince me.

I'm of the position that some minimal level of pluralism and non-partisanship is required for a democracy to function in elections. This "debate" didn't even have that tiny amount of decency in it.

I rolled my eyes when Trump derided Biden's son, which was the only time that I noticed he got Biden noticeably angry with this petulant bully.

If Trump wins, and I still think the asshole has a real chance, I predict a transparently fascist dictatorship by 2022, and civil war the same year that will be quickly over. Extermination. Afterwards the long night begins.

Convince you of what?

High partisanship makes democracy much less stable, but in itself it doesn’t prove democracy is dead, so long as partisanship is prevented from enabling party in power to use administrative or legislative power to completely forestall Future challenges to its power.

No doubt the republicans have been systematically trying to attain the position of being able to use administrative Or legislative power to completely forestall future challenges since 1994, and has redoubled their effort after Obama’s election, and then redoubled it again under trump.  As a result our democracy is in very poor health.  It may not even live very long.

But the fact that there is a shouting match means it does at the moment still have a pulse.

Look to russia or China, or Turkey, or Saudi Arabia to see how many people gets to shout back Twice when democracy is dead.

[Gawdzilla Sama]

After the debate was over, I apologized to my wife for suggesting we watch it together. It was nearly unwatchable. I'd say Trump lost because he was so out of control and had to be admonished numerous times by the moderator. Biden could have been stronger at points but Trump hung himself. 

Wallace is owned by Fox News.

The biggest moment of the night was Trump telling his brownshirts to "stand by", whatever that means.

Simple, it's a threat.