Atheism & Bisexuality

[leo-rcc]

I know that feeling. I used to be arrogant but I worked on that so now I am perfect.

[Edwardo Piet]

I am still wondering that: if you are a modest person but you are proud of your modesty does that mean you are no longer modest? Does it mean that you are immodest because you are proud of your modesty?

Or is it not a contradiction, can you be geuinely modest and have the right to be proud of it unintentionally and naturally - without being called immodest?

Perhaps we need a seperate thread on the matter?

[Kyuuketsuki]

Hi Ev,

I don't think immodest is the logical opposite of modest, partly because I think the logical opposite would be amodest or not-modest but also because the opposite of moral is amoral not immoral (the "a" suffix reversing the sense of the word at it's root).

Er ... I think

Kyu

[Rockthatpiano06]

I'm a little late on the argument, but I think on some level, we are all bisexual. I just think alot of people lie to themselves, lol.

[Atheismo]

I'm a little late on the argument, but I think on some level, we are all bisexual. I just think alot of people lie to themselves, lol.

Haha, that's a distinct possibility.

Perhaps all of us 'straight' people have simply created mental barriers that prevent us from feeling certain things toward someone of the same sex, because we were taught that that was wrong growing up.

I mean I love my male friends, but in my mind there is absolutely no way I could ever 'love' them.

I like women.

[Giff]

I like women.

What a shocker!hock:

But anyway, who doesn't?

[Kyuuketsuki]

I'm a little late on the argument, but I think on some level, we are all bisexual. I just think alot of people lie to themselves, lol.

Yeah, I think that's probably true and that sexuality is, in part at least, socially conditioned. That's' not me questioning that I'm straight but I think it likely that there are others who are "more straight" than me and others who are less but I nevertheless fit into the general category of straight ... ultimately, whilst I can apprecaite and admire an man's looks/image, there's nothing much I find sexually attractive about men (and I can't abide the camp ones regardless of whether they are gay or not ... I just find them irritating).

Kyu

[Tanutra]

I'm a little late on the argument, but I think on some level, we are all bisexual. I just think alot of people lie to themselves, lol.

Perhaps all of us 'straight' people have simply created mental barriers that prevent us from feeling certain things toward someone of the same sex, because we were taught that that was wrong growing up.

This may just be me, but I have to respectfully disagree.

I spent the first 7 years of my life in Thailand. Many there are homosexual/bisexual/transsexual ect.. probably not more than most other places, but in Thailand, they're not "looked down upon". It's more "normal". People just don't care how you dress or which gender(s) you feel attracted to...

My mother even has 2 sisters who are lesbians. One of them even dresses as a man, introduces herself as a man (using a male name), and has a girlfriend...

So I wouldn't say I grew up with a mental barrier at all. I think women are pretty, even beautiful, but I am not attracted to them, nor am I aroused/interested in lesbian pornography. I don't know what it is- I am just not interest.

That's just the way God made us - just kidding, lol.

I'm even a supporter of gay rights and gay adoption, but that's another story.

[Rizzo]

I'm a little late on the argument, but I think on some level, we are all bisexual. I just think alot of people lie to themselves, lol.

Perhaps all of us 'straight' people have simply created mental barriers that prevent us from feeling certain things toward someone of the same sex, because we were taught that that was wrong growing up.

This may just be me, but I have to respectfully disagree.

I spent the first 7 years of my life in Thailand. Many there are homosexual/bisexual/transsexual ect.. probably not more than most other places, but in Thailand, they're not "looked down upon". It's more "normal". People just don't care how you dress or which gender(s) you feel attracted to...

My mother even has 2 sisters who are lesbians. One of them even dresses as a man, introduces herself as a man (using a male name), and has a girlfriend...

So I wouldn't say I grew up with a mental barrier at all. I think women are pretty, even beautiful, but I am not attracted to them, nor am I aroused/interested in lesbian pornography. I don't know what it is- I am just not interest.

That's just the way God made us - just kidding, lol.

I'm even a supporter of gay rights and gay adoption, but that's another story.

I disagree.

I've known people who spent years confused and worried. They didn't know who or what they were. I had a friend who actually went to Exodus ministries to de-gay himself (guess what? one failed marriage and two children later, it didn't take!). I knew another guy who knew he was gay but refused to act on it. Another tried to "prove" to himself and the people around him that he was straight by having sex with girls in public places. They were all so worried about what other people said they weren't being themselves.

And then there's me. I wanted to wait to come out because I didn't want to be "tokenized", but maybe I need to say something here.

As for me, I am a girl but I wasn't born into a girls body. I'm a transsexual woman and I spent my life raised to be like my dad who is a big, manly, sports-obsessed man. Me, I never got it, but spending years and years in an environment where any feminine behavior is quickly and harshly punished hurt. I was confused and scared but I tried and tried to be a "normal" boy. I never could get it and was just angry and hated the world for it. Society was telling me that trans-people are these weirdos on Jerry Springer; you know what I mean: the eight foot tall woman with a five o'clock shadow, linebacker shoulders and a voice that makes Barry White sound like a soprano. I knew I wasn't that but I still knew I was different. Things changed when I actually started to transition and I realized that most trans people aren't like that. Yeah, you might see ones like that once in a while, but you DON'T notice the rest of them who are just living their normal lives... simply because they blend in so well that they don't get noticed. I started reading stories of other transsexual women and could relate with so much of what they said and I watched vlogs from some of the transsexual women on YouTube and was amazed how good many of them looked. Finally, I started my own transition, but I still can't help but think, I would be alot happier and more successful now if I had transitioned sooner and that probably would have happened if society hadn't made me feel like a freak.

[leo-rcc]

Finally, I started my own transition, but I still can't help but think, I would be alot happier and more successful now if I had transitioned sooner and that probably would have happened if society hadn't made me feel like a freak.

I swear, if I wasn't an skeptic I'd start believing in Karma. I used to run a bulleting board for transsexuals in the Netherlands. Your story is one I've read probably dozens of times. It is saddening to know that so many transsexuals are not coming forward out of fear and shame. I also know that because of the hormonal and emotional rollercoaster ride transsexuals get into as they go into transition the suicide rate is very high. I've lost some friends from the transsexual community to suicide. All the more reason to make sure transsexuals get the best care possible in their journey.