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Deportation of Jews and local help
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Deportation of Jews and local help
Deportation of Jews to death camps during ww2 required a very little number of German soldiers as Nazis occupied Europe, and that's because they had a lot of help from the local community of people. In fact, Nazis would not be nearly so proficient without the eager help of locals.

In other words, people were already ideologically prepared to get rid of/ kill Jews.

Like when Germans deported 100 thousand Jews from Hungary they only needed about 100 soldiers because the Hungarians did the rest, and it was a similar situation with other European countries.





So where do you think that that anti-Jewish ideology came from in non-German people who were not subjected to anti-Jewish propaganda?

It seems to me that it came from the Catholic Church and other Christian denominations with them touting "Christ-killers propaganda" for centuries.
teachings of the Bible are so muddled and self-contradictory that it was possible for Christians to happily burn heretics alive for five long centuries. It was even possible for the most venerated patriarchs of the Church, like St. Augustine and St. Thomas Aquinas, to conclude that heretics should be tortured (Augustine) or killed outright (Aquinas). Martin Luther and John Calvin advocated the wholesale murder of heretics, apostates, Jews, and witches. - Sam Harris, "Letter To A Christian Nation"
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RE: Deportation of Jews and local help
The churches had a lot to do with it, especially as they were sevrrely anti-semitic in their propganda. But the civil authorities were heavily involved too as the Jews, being relatively few in number and politically weak, were a good source of shakedown money when finances were strained from the king's excesses and a good scapegoat when the king's idiocy lead to disaster.

The Jews were in a similar boat to other marginalised groups throughout Europe, hence why groups like the Romany got it just as bad in nazi Germany.
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RE: Deportation of Jews and local help
(January 12, 2021 at 3:05 am)Fake Messiah Wrote: Deportation of Jews to death camps during ww2 required a very little number of German soldiers as Nazis occupied Europe, and that's because they had a lot of help from the local community of people. In fact, Nazis would not be nearly so proficient without the eager help of locals.

In other words, people were already ideologically prepared to get rid of/ kill Jews.

Like when Germans deported 100 thousand Jews from Hungary they only needed about 100 soldiers because the Hungarians did the rest, and it was a similar situation with other European countries.





So where do you think that that anti-Jewish ideology came from in non-German people who were not subjected to anti-Jewish propaganda?

It seems to me that it came from the Catholic Church and other Christian denominations with them touting "Christ-killers propaganda" for centuries.

Antisemitism was wide spread across europe, for a thousand years, and yes....it was the church. Afaik the protestants even more than catholics. The worst porgom happened in Russia, and that was orthodox even.

(January 12, 2021 at 6:53 am)Nomad Wrote: The churches had a lot to do with it, especially as they were sevrrely anti-semitic in their propganda. But the civil authorities were heavily involved too as the Jews, being relatively few in number and politically weak, were a good source of shakedown money when finances were strained from the king's excesses and a good scapegoat when the king's idiocy lead to disaster.

The Jews were in a similar boat to other marginalised groups throughout Europe, hence why groups like the Romany got it just as bad in nazi Germany.

Actually, the money was the reason the nobles often protected the jews from being persecuted. They knew that the jews and their trades were excellent sources for tax revenue.
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RE: Deportation of Jews and local help
Justifiable fear of their own government probably had a bit to do with it.

That and the gun law passed in 1938 - which took away the right to own guns and made it a priviledge granted to NAZI party members and those they approved of.

You can't fight armed troops with rhetoric.

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RE: Deportation of Jews and local help
This one has it's own wiki page, did you know that?

Quote:The Nazi gun control argument is a belief that gun regulations in the Third Reich helped to facilitate the rise of the Nazis and the Holocaust.[1][2][3] The majority of historians and fact-checkers have described the argument as "dubious,"[4] "questionable,"[5] "preposterous,"[6] "tendentious,"[3] or "problematic."[2] This argument is frequently employed by opponents of gun control in debates on U.S. gun politics. Questions about its validity, and about the motives behind its inception, have been raised by scholars. Proponents in the United States have used it as part of a "security against tyranny" argument, while opponents have referred to it as a form of reductio ad Hitlerum.

Few German citizens owned, or were entitled to own firearms in Germany in the early 1930s,[2] the Weimar Republic having strict gun control laws.[8] When the Nazi party gained power, some aspects of gun regulation were loosened, such as allowing firearm ownership for Nazi party members and the military.[5]:672 The laws were tightened in other ways. Nazi laws systematically disarmed "unreliable" persons, especially Jews, but relaxed restrictions for so-called "ordinary" German citizens.[5]:670,676 The policies were later expanded to include the confiscation of arms in occupied countries.[9]:533,536

Truth is, people with and without guns are about equally as likely to fight back against their state - which is to say not very likely at all. It's a shame, really. People ask how high even when they have an arsenal in their house. That's what we actually do, as opposed to what we wished we did. The issue with leaving piles of guns in private homes, from the perspective of a jack booted thug - is not that the owner of the house is a threat. It's that insurgents will get those guns, one way or another - and that's why they confiscated weapons. Not because they did or had anything to fear from the people who had them at present.

In the dystopian scenario, OLB, guys like you and me are ammo dumps, not the resistance. Most of the party members in the nazi state, specifically, were just go-along types. They had weapons, didn't necessarily agree with the state, and, by a point, had every reason to use them against the state - but didn't. Didn't use them against the occupying forces after the war either.
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RE: Deportation of Jews and local help
The Weimar Republic already had very strict gun control laws. The fact that Jews were about 1% of Germany's population probably had a lot more to do with their inability to violently resist the Nazis than being poorly armed did.
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That "gun control in Weimar" argment is so silly, its beyond absurd.
Thats why i am not gonna go into details, its ab-fucking-surd
Chemtrails and flat Earth-absurd.
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RE: Deportation of Jews and local help
(January 12, 2021 at 10:50 am)Deesse23 Wrote: That "gun control in Weimar" argment is so silly, its beyond absurd.
Thats why i am not gonna go into details, its ab-fucking-surd
Chemtrails and flat Earth-absurd.

Please elaborate. Did the Weimar Republic not already have strict gun laws before the Nazis took power?
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RE: Deportation of Jews and local help
They did, they relaxed gun control, not tightened it. I'd say that, ultimately, the gun control argument is flawed in this instance because they relaxed rules and the people who did have guns didn't use them anyway. If it's ever a valid argument or expectation, this wasn't one of those cases, or..if it's a general rule, then this was one of those high profile exceptions to it.

This stands in contrast to people who did fight back, at the same time, with their weapons, in occupied territories. There was some guy with one piece of shit hunting rifle (finland or norway, can never remember) that had an entire german unit scared to go to sleep, scared to walk in the forest. To the point that they tried leveling the forest with artillery for just the one man. They confiscated anything that could so much as hurl pebbles at them from the local populace, but he just kept plinking them.
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RE: Deportation of Jews and local help
The Jews in Europe were made scapegoats for the same reason that people dislike atheists, because the church found it useful to encourage their demonization.
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