God and Distaster

[Godscreated]

It's all so absurd. I just can't understand people. Religious belief can be so selfish... God loves you and saves you from disaster, but if he kills thousands along the way (most of which are probably not Christian, so would likely go to hell anyway), well that's just part of his grand, noble plan. Idiotic humans... we need to stop being so goddamn naive.

Its intellectual suicide. Suicide is saying "this life isnt worth living". A leap of faith is saying the same thing as "this life isnt worth living, so therefore I will ignore reality and live in a fantasy world." It doesnt matter wether a god exists or not..having faith in a god is the exact same thing as suicide...it is intellectual suicide. These people are the walking dead...zombies...living in a world of faith and refusing cold, hard reality.

You need to get out into the real world of christians, you might find that they are looking at the world in cold, hard facts. As for the walking dead they would be all nonbelievers like yourself.

OnlyNatural, have you ever be in a church setting, it does not sound like it from your response? If you were rescued from a life threatening event would you thank the person who saved you even though others may have died, I think you would and I know I would. So why is thanking God any different? Thanking God for ones life in an event such as this is only natural (no pun intended) for christians, however they did not stop there I'm sure, they have and are praying for the families and friends who have lost loved ones and are praying for those who need to be rescued. I would say that the christian churches in Japan are already giving aide to those in need and helping in any way possible, I know that the churches from my area sent volunteers to the victims of Katrina and they where some of the first to arrive to that disaster. Please don't think of christians as selfish just because we are grateful that God spared lives, I would say that a number of christians died in the disaster also, for all you know God may have spared the lives of many nonbelievers and I personally believe He did. Many christians in America and around the world are giving of their time to pray for the victims of this disaster and the amount of money and goods donated to the relief effort will be awesome and all this is a good thing and guess what no strings will be attached. So you see God is working to help the people of Japan, christian and nonchristian alike, He is doing this through the hearts of His people.

Min save your words and time we know what you think....God doesn't exist.

[Anomalocaris]

Min save your words and time we know what you think....God doesn't exist.

GC save your words and time, we know what you think ... fantasies repeated with enough vehemence and frequency by weak, wishful, minds sufficiently like yours must be supremely real.

[Minimalist]

Min save your words and time we know what you think....God doesn't exist.

I intend to keep reminding you.

You need the help.

[Captain Scarlet]

OnlyNatural, have you ever be in a church setting, it does not sound like it from your response? If you were rescued from a life threatening event would you thank the person who saved you even though others may have died, I think you would and I know I would. So why is thanking God any different? Thanking God for ones life in an event such as this is only natural (no pun intended) for christians, however they did not stop there I'm sure, they have and are praying for the families and friends who have lost loved ones and are praying for those who need to be rescued. I would say that the christian churches in Japan are already giving aide to those in need and helping in any way possible, I know that the churches from my area sent volunteers to the victims of Katrina and they where some of the first to arrive to that disaster. Please don't think of christians as selfish just because we are grateful that God spared lives, I would say that a number of christians died in the disaster also, for all you know God may have spared the lives of many nonbelievers and I personally believe He did. Many christians in America and around the world are giving of their time to pray for the victims of this disaster and the amount of money and goods donated to the relief effort will be awesome and all this is a good thing and guess what no strings will be attached. So you see God is working to help the people of Japan, christian and nonchristian alike, He is doing this through the hearts of His people.

Min save your words and time we know what you think....God doesn't exist.

Everything good that happens, god did it. Everything bad that happens Satan or humans did it. You cannot defeat this line of argumentation, it has an answer for everything just no evidence or valid reasoning to back it up. Its the trick of the conman, who has conned himself into believing this utter nonsense. Praise the Lord for killing thousands and then garnering his troops to send a few bottles of water! Well done Jesus!

[ib.me.ub]

^But he didn't write that.

[Rayaan]

Any thoughts from the religious folk here? Other than the usual, God moves in mysterious ways. The devil did it. Blah blah blah.

In short, I don't believe that everything has to be nice, sweet, and perfect for God to exist.

What's interesting is that people who live in poorer countries - which often means a greater number of illnesses, deaths, and natural disasters occurring in those places - tend to be more religious as compared to people who live in countries with higher living standards. They are the ones who see more bad things happening around them than we do, and yet, they still believe in God.

Therefore, I think that hard experiences have an effect of reminding people of God in one way or another, as it happens to me as well, though certainly not the case for everyone.

[theVOID]

Any thoughts from the religious folk here? Other than the usual, God moves in mysterious ways. The devil did it. Blah blah blah.

In short, I don't believe that everything has to be nice, sweet, and perfect for God to exist.

It would be the case for an omnibenevolent God.

What's interesting is that people who live in poorer countries - which often means a greater number of illnesses, deaths, and natural disasters occurring in those places - tend to be more religious as compared to people who live in countries with higher living standards. They are the ones who see more bad things happening around them than we do, and yet, they still believe in God.

Because they are more oppressed and ignorant.

Therefore, I think that hard experiences have an effect of reminding people of God in one way or another, as it happens to me as well, though certainly not the case for everyone.

God wants to remind us of him? An ethical being would stop in and say hello rather than slaughter millions of people so the other ones know he's still there.

[Rayaan]

Well, I don't believe in an omnibenevolent God in the sense that you're speaking.

"When Allah decreed the Creation He pledged Himself by writing in His book which is laid down with Him: 'My mercy prevails over my wrath.'" - Hadith Qudsi

So I guess Allah has written instructions for Himself to follow. And He can be wrathful at times if He wants to. But, I wouldn't say that this is unethical because I don't know what is the correct moral standard on which to judge Allah's activities nor if that's even possible to determine given our extremely limited knowledge of Him.

Having said that, see this: http://www.shadhiliteachings.com/tariq/?...ticle&id=2

[fr0d0]

s necessarily loving of all things necessarily cares about all things.

So you're wrong, again.

Me and the whole of Christendom. Well done ...erm NOT.

[theVOID]

Nice argument from popularity fr0d0.

Yeah, you're all wrong. Doesn't matter if there are 1 of you or 1 billion, you rape the concept of omnibenevolence in a pathetic attempt to mask the fact that this universe we live in is not compatible with the deity you want to believe in.