Covid 19 conspiracies dump

[The Grand Nudger]

Most of the population voluntarily drive their cars safer than they might at a junkyard rally, too - but that doesn't reduce the argument for traffic laws. You just need that one yahoo at a stoplight.

Pandemics are similar in this regard. Particularly in places like the us, where life itself is a commodity sold for-profit. Unfortunately, we have many more than just one yahoo at our stoplight, and they're all insisting on their right to plow their car into other people at the intersection. Anything less is just another example of how we're abrogating their white rights. It should be a silly comparison - but it isn't..because the diehard white rightists actually do believe that they aren't required to have a license to drive, aren't legally obliged to follow the laws, and can't be compelled to pay fines for breaking them. They're sovereign citizens freely travelling in the land. It's all of a piece.

It's not exactly a surprise how we got here, or that the comparison to our friends in the north is so stark - but don't worry, we're exporting our domestic terrorists and their ideology, so it's only a matter of time until the IA's of canadia reach critical mass and we, as usians, no longer have to feel uniquely embarrassed by them here in n. america.

[The Architect Of Fate]

Hide away all the rational responsible adults and immunocompromised because the irrational babies need to get to best buy!

[The Grand Nudger]

For all the good it would do them when best buy is closed on account of all it's employees are sick or caring for the sick.

Wait, come back, how could you not want to risk your life and the lives of your family for starvation wages? Well fuck you then, we'll declare you an essential worker. Quit from your essential job and be denied benefits...while we non essentials suck from the government teat and demand you stay open so we have somewhere to spend our cuckbux.

[Irreligious Atheist]

Everyone or practically everyone is going to catch covid, no matter how many people are vaccinated. If someone can't take the vaccine and doesn't feel comfortable coming into work, let them work from home or they can get another job where they can work from home. That sounds more reasonable to me than forcing millions against their will to do something.

You can't have it both ways. Young people - those who you feel don't need to be vaccinated - are the group least likely to a) have a job they can do from home, and b) have skills they use to get another job they can do from home. So, for example, McDonald's (which would have fallen under the vaccine mandate), can simply send all those young people you don't think need to be vaccinated home, where they can fill burger and chips orders via Zoom?

Yes, that's reasonable.

Boru

You misunderstood. AreWeThereYet was the one concerned with people who can't take the vaccine for medical reasons. Those are the people I was referring to. If they can't take the vaccine for medical reasons, this very small group of people, if they don't feel comfortable coming into work, can work from home or get another job. The rights of the millions outweigh the concerns of the few in this case, and no one should be compelled to get vaccinated to protect the few that medically can't.

In other news, https://www.forbes.com/sites/alisondurke...8b5c775a54   Biden drops vaccine mandate. Woohoo! Merica!

[BrianSoddingBoru4]

You can't have it both ways. Young people - those who you feel don't need to be vaccinated - are the group least likely to a) have a job they can do from home, and b) have skills they use to get another job they can do from home. So, for example, McDonald's (which would have fallen under the vaccine mandate), can simply send all those young people you don't think need to be vaccinated home, where they can fill burger and chips orders via Zoom?

Yes, that's reasonable.

Boru

You misunderstood. AreWeThereYet was the one concerned with people who can't take the vaccine for medical reasons. Those are the people I was referring to. If they can't take the vaccine for medical reasons, this very small group of people, if they don't feel comfortable coming into work, can work from home or get another job. The rights of the millions outweigh the concerns of the few in this case, and no one should be compelled to get vaccinated to protect the few that medically can't.

In other news, https://www.forbes.com/sites/alisondurke...8b5c775a54   Biden drops vaccine mandate. Woohoo! Merica!

How would an immunocompromised janitor work from home? If he had the skill set to enable him to get a work-from-home job, he probably wouldn't be a janitor to begin with.

On the contrary, EVERYONE should be compelled to get vaccinated to protect the few who medically can't. This is a thing called 'living in a society'.

Boru

[Irreligious Atheist]

Most of the population voluntarily drive their cars safer than they might at a junkyard rally, too - but that doesn't reduce the argument for traffic laws.  You just need that one yahoo at a stoplight.  

Pandemics are similar in this regard.  Particularly in places like the us, where life itself is a commodity sold for-profit.  Unfortunately, we have many more than just one yahoo at our stoplight, and they're all insisting on their right to plow their car into other people at the intersection.  Anything less is just another example of how we're abrogating their white rights.  It should be a silly comparison - but it isn't..because the diehard white rightists actually do believe that they aren't required to have a license to drive, aren't legally obliged to follow the laws, and can't be compelled to pay fines for breaking them.  They're sovereign citizens freely travelling in the land.  It's all of a piece.

It's not exactly a surprise how we got here, or that the comparison to our friends in the north is so stark - but don't worry, we're exporting our domestic terrorists and their ideology, so it's only a matter of time until the IA's of canadia reach critical mass and we, as usians, no longer have to feel uniquely embarrassed by them here in n. america.

You go on about whites (what does that have to do with this conversation? Just can't help yourself?), but blacks are actually the least likely to have taken the vaccine or to be fully vaccinated. In supporting vax mandates, you are supporting people losing their jobs, which disproportionately effects black people. Good job. You are harming blacks more than anyone else. White supremacy at work. I'll stand up for these black folks, if no one else here will.

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You misunderstood. AreWeThereYet was the one concerned with people who can't take the vaccine for medical reasons. Those are the people I was referring to. If they can't take the vaccine for medical reasons, this very small group of people, if they don't feel comfortable coming into work, can work from home or get another job. The rights of the millions outweigh the concerns of the few in this case, and no one should be compelled to get vaccinated to protect the few that medically can't.

In other news, https://www.forbes.com/sites/alisondurke...8b5c775a54   Biden drops vaccine mandate. Woohoo! Merica!

How would an immunocompromised janitor work from home? If he had the skill set to enable him to get a work-from-home job, he probably wouldn't be a janitor to begin with.

On the contrary, EVERYONE should be compelled to get vaccinated to protect the few who medically can't. This is a thing called 'living in a society'.

Boru

That's that janitors business to come up with an answer to their problem. Go on government assistance and apply for disability if they must. Funny how we care what happens to workers now, when you've been calling for the shunning of homeless people if they won't get vaccinated. Now you have a heart lol?

[BrianSoddingBoru4]

Most of the population voluntarily drive their cars safer than they might at a junkyard rally, too - but that doesn't reduce the argument for traffic laws.  You just need that one yahoo at a stoplight.  

Pandemics are similar in this regard.  Particularly in places like the us, where life itself is a commodity sold for-profit.  Unfortunately, we have many more than just one yahoo at our stoplight, and they're all insisting on their right to plow their car into other people at the intersection.  Anything less is just another example of how we're abrogating their white rights.  It should be a silly comparison - but it isn't..because the diehard white rightists actually do believe that they aren't required to have a license to drive, aren't legally obliged to follow the laws, and can't be compelled to pay fines for breaking them.  They're sovereign citizens freely travelling in the land.  It's all of a piece.

It's not exactly a surprise how we got here, or that the comparison to our friends in the north is so stark - but don't worry, we're exporting our domestic terrorists and their ideology, so it's only a matter of time until the IA's of canadia reach critical mass and we, as usians, no longer have to feel uniquely embarrassed by them here in n. america.

You go on about whites (what does that have to do with this conversation? Just can't help yourself?), but blacks are actually the least likely to have taken the vaccine or to be fully vaccinated. In supporting vax mandates, you are supporting people losing their jobs, which disproportionately effects black people. Good job. You are harming blacks more than anyone else. White supremacy at work. I'll stand up for these black folks, if no one else here will.

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How would an immunocompromised janitor work from home? If he had the skill set to enable him to get a work-from-home job, he probably wouldn't be a janitor to begin with.

On the contrary, EVERYONE should be compelled to get vaccinated to protect the few who medically can't. This is a thing called 'living in a society'.

Boru

That's that janitors business to come up with an answer to their problem. Go on government assistance and apply for disability if they must. Funny how we care what happens to workers now, when you've been calling for the shunning of homeless people if they won't get vaccinated. Now you have a heart lol?

When have I ever called for the shunning of homeless people for ANY reason? You’re out of your tiny mind.

Boru

[Rev. Rye]

Most of the population voluntarily drive their cars safer than they might at a junkyard rally, too - but that doesn't reduce the argument for traffic laws.  You just need that one yahoo at a stoplight.  

Pandemics are similar in this regard.  Particularly in places like the us, where life itself is a commodity sold for-profit.  Unfortunately, we have many more than just one yahoo at our stoplight, and they're all insisting on their right to plow their car into other people at the intersection.  Anything less is just another example of how we're abrogating their white rights.  It should be a silly comparison - but it isn't..because the diehard white rightists actually do believe that they aren't required to have a license to drive, aren't legally obliged to follow the laws, and can't be compelled to pay fines for breaking them.  They're sovereign citizens freely travelling in the land.  It's all of a piece.

It's not exactly a surprise how we got here, or that the comparison to our friends in the north is so stark - but don't worry, we're exporting our domestic terrorists and their ideology, so it's only a matter of time until the IA's of canadia reach critical mass and we, as usians, no longer have to feel uniquely embarrassed by them here in n. america.

You go on about whites (what does that have to do with this conversation? Just can't help yourself?), but blacks are actually the least likely to have taken the vaccine or to be fully vaccinated. In supporting vax mandates, you are supporting people losing their jobs, which disproportionately effects black people. Good job. You are harming blacks more than anyone else. White supremacy at work. I'll stand up for these black folks, if no one else here will.

Just for the record, I looked into the issue of vaccine hesitancy among black people. While there was significant hesitancy early on, it's cooled down significantly in the months since the vaccine was introduced (the paper also measured hesitancy among white people and it barely went down in the same time frame). And why are they still less likely to actually be vaccinated if this is the case? Especially when Biden says that 90% of Americans live within 5 miles of a vaccination center? Well, then, there's other factors at play. For one thing, that doesn't mean much if the center in question doesn't actually have any doses at the moment. And being within a five mile radius doesn't mean much if you don't have a car ([url=https://nationalequityatlas.org/indicators/Car_access#/]Black people are three times less likely to own a vehicle than white people[/url[), and especially if either you live in a city where the public transport is just that shit, or if the center is in a part of town that isn't readily accessible by public transport.

The key to making such a vaccine mandate be more equitable would involve obviating any and all logistical excuses.

[Irreligious Atheist]

You go on about whites (what does that have to do with this conversation? Just can't help yourself?), but blacks are actually the least likely to have taken the vaccine or to be fully vaccinated. In supporting vax mandates, you are supporting people losing their jobs, which disproportionately effects black people. Good job. You are harming blacks more than anyone else. White supremacy at work. I'll stand up for these black folks, if no one else here will.

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That's that janitors business to come up with an answer to their problem. Go on government assistance and apply for disability if they must. Funny how we care what happens to workers now, when you've been calling for the shunning of homeless people if they won't get vaccinated. Now you have a heart lol?

When have I ever called for the shunning of homeless people for ANY reason? You’re out of your tiny mind.

Boru

You posted a meme of a homeless person begging for money on the street after they were fired for not taking the vaccine, and your answer to them begging for money was nope.

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You go on about whites (what does that have to do with this conversation? Just can't help yourself?), but blacks are actually the least likely to have taken the vaccine or to be fully vaccinated. In supporting vax mandates, you are supporting people losing their jobs, which disproportionately effects black people. Good job. You are harming blacks more than anyone else. White supremacy at work. I'll stand up for these black folks, if no one else here will.

Just for the record, I looked into the issue of vaccine hesitancy among black people. While there was significant hesitancy early on, it's cooled down significantly in the months since the vaccine was introduced (the paper also measured hesitancy among white people and it barely went down in the same time frame). And why are they still less likely to actually be vaccinated if this is the case? Especially when Biden says that 90% of Americans live within 5 miles of a vaccination center? Well, then, there's other factors at play. For one thing, that doesn't mean much if the center in question doesn't actually have any doses at the moment. And being within a five mile radius doesn't mean much if you don't have a car ([url=https://nationalequityatlas.org/indicators/Car_access#/]Black people are three times less likely to own a vehicle than white people[/url[), and especially if either you live in a city where the public transport is just that shit, or if the center is in a part of town that isn't readily accessible by public transport.

The key to making such a vaccine mandate be more equitable would involve obviating any and all logistical excuses.

Yes, it would be nice to fix the logistical problems, but government first needs to have the will to do such a thing, and at  the present moment we have to deal with the reality that we're actually living in. We're helping these black people, many who are already in a bad situation, by firing them all and putting them into an even worse situation? We owe it to black people not to treat them like this. Society has fucked them over enough as it is. Mandates disproportionately affect black people and can drive them into poverty. Your side is ignoring the disproportionate effect the mandates have on black people, and I think that is wrong. This matters. Driving black people further into poverty is fucked up. Taking millions of workers out of the workforce is not going to help the economy, and it was never a good idea. It's nice to see the mandates struck down in the US. The right decision was made.

[BrianSoddingBoru4]

When have I ever called for the shunning of homeless people for ANY reason? You’re out of your tiny mind.

Boru

You posted a meme of a homeless person begging for money on the street after they were fired for not taking the vaccine, and your answer to them begging for money was nope.

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You mistake my very real disdain for the willfully unvaccinated for an imagined disdain for the homeless.

Someone who refuses to get the vaccine (as opposed to someone who is medically unable to get the vaccine) is a very real danger to the public good. It isn’t a question of ‘shunning the homeless’ as it is not wanting to enable people who are trying to kill me.

FWIW, I’ve probably helped more homeless people than you’ve had hot dinners.

Boru